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Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

#71

I would have preferred giving lower priority in hospitals to voluntarily unvaccinated persons seeking COVID treatment. That would require no violation of personal freedoms and avoid the great economic cost of implementing a lockdown at the start of the touristic winter season at the cost of letting these people suffer the consequences of their belief that the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease.

Ethics aside, any law determining the priority of hospital admissions based on non-medical reasons is unconstitutional in Germany, according to legal experts. I doubt the situation differs much in Austria.

But I agree, this might be the most freedom-preserving path.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

#72
post #64

Gibraltar has 100% Covid Vaccination with 5th Highest Covid Mortality Rate in the World

Gibraltar surge in covid cases and is cancelling lots of events, but has 100% vaccination rate. No stopping restrictions and cases even with 100% vaccination rate.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

#73
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe some of them are mandatory for a child after birth (though I question it because anyway doctors should get parent's signature to do it). But how could you force an adult who is totally ok with lockdown? Cut all access to basic necessities? Make police involved? How?

No one is going to be given the vaccine by force. Like you said, as an adult you can choose not to have it, you will just lose access to a lot of things, just like an unvaccinated child isn't accepted into kindergarden. If you don't want to have it then fine, stay locked up at home forever, that's your choice.

>No one is going to be given the vaccine by force

Yet.

Remember that people said over a year ago that "no one will be denied access to facilities without a vaccine passport, that's ridiculous". And yet later on it has become somewhat accepted and even desired. If it saves lives and reduces harm perhaps people will also support force being used? There is no limit anymore, seems to me. Any means necessary seems to be supported by the majority of the world's populations.

All we can say with certainty is "well, not yet".

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

#74

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> Sounds good. Currently analyzed index case–contact pairs exposed to Delta/B.1.617.2 show that, adjusting for age, ethnicity and index of multiple deprivation (IMD), the R0 increased modestly with genomic pre-alpha (difference of 0·39 [95% credible interval –0·03 to 0·79] in peak log10 viral lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adjusting peak, sed do eiusmod tempotentially explaining its success in infection prev…

I believe it was a joke about scientific gibberish.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

#75

Sounds good. Currently analyzed index case–contact pairs exposed to Delta/B.1.617.2 show that, adjusting for age, ethnicity and index of multiple deprivation (IMD), the R0 increased modestly with genomic pre-alpha (difference of 0·39 [95% credible interval –0·03 to 0·79] in peak log10 viral lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adjusting peak, sed do eiusmod tempotentially explaining its success in infection preven…

> Sounds good. Currently analyzed index case–contact pairs exposed to Delta/B.1.617.2 show that, adjusting for age, ethnicity and index of multiple deprivation (IMD), the R0 increased modestly with genomic pre-alpha (difference of 0·39 [95% credible interval –0·03 to 0·79] in peak log10 viral lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adjusting peak, sed do eiusmod tempotentially explaining its success in infection prev…

I'd argue that Lorem ipsum is the most effective argument for discussions on COVID-19 related measures. Just have a look at your country [1]:

> 1. Für welche der seit Beginn der Corona-Pandemie umgesetzten Schutzmaßnahmen liegen wissenschaftliche Erkenntnisse über die Wirksamkeit vor, und welche Erkenntnisse sind dies?

> 2. Für welche der seit Beginn der Corona-Pandemie umgesetzten Schutzmaßnahmen liegen bisher keine wissenschaftlichen Erkenntnisse über die Wirksamkeit vor, und warum wurden diese Maßnahmen trotzdem ergriffen (bitte jeweils einzeln auflisten)?

> 3. Was unternimmt die Bundesregierung, um die Wirksamkeit der einzelnen Schutzmaßnahmen zu evaluieren und zu untersuchen?

> Die genaue Auswirkung einzelner Maßnahmen auf das Infektionsgeschehen ist immer abhängig von vielen Faktoren, wie z.B. der Bevölkerungsstruktur, dem politischem System, den sozialen, ökonomischen und auch kulturellen Aspekten, die miteinander sowie mit anderen Faktoren wie der Saisonalität und der möglichen Entwicklung des Erregers interagieren. Durch dieses kontextspezifische Zusammenspiel einer sehr großen Anzahl an Variablen ist es nicht möglich, die Auswirkung einer einzelnen Maßnahme auf einen Indikator (z. B. Inzidenz) belastbar und generalisierbar zu quantifizieren und zwischen Ländern zu vergleichen. Die multifaktoriellen Zusammenhänge sind auch eine mögliche Erklärung für die Variationen in der Effektivität einzelner Maßnahmen zwischen unterschiedlichen Regionen oder Ländern. Vergleichende Fallstudien betonen vielmehr die Effektivität von sich verstärkenden Maßnahmen. Die Evidenz zeigt klar, dass es immer die Umsetzung mehrere gleichzeitiger Maßnahmen ist, die den Pandemieverlauf beeinträchtigen, also die Summe der Schutzmaßnahmen, die einen Rückgang von Infektionen herbeiführen.

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TLDR; Measures are needed, but we can't tell you which, but there's evidence, but we won't show you and have no real interest in finding it ut labore et dolore magna aliqua.

[1] https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/19/317/1931798.pdf

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

#76
post #6

Austria has it especially hard since they earn a lot of money from outside tourism during the winter ski season, which is the prime season for higher covid numbers and hospitalization overload. Its a desperate measure as they seem to loose at least half of the winter season this year again.

And boy oh boy do they try their best to keep the winter revenue alive. Everybody in Europe probably remembers the joy of Ischgl.

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Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

#77
post #6

Austria has it especially hard since they earn a lot of money from outside tourism during the winter ski season, which is the prime season for higher covid numbers and hospitalization overload. Its a desperate measure as they seem to loose at least half of the winter season this year again.

And boy oh boy do they try their best to keep the winter revenue alive. Everybody in Europe probably remembers the joy of Ischgl.

They took five days to decide to close right?

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going to be given the vaccine by force. Like you said, as an adult you can choose not to have it, you will just lose access to a lot of things, just like an unvaccinated child isn't accepted into kindergarden. If you don't want to have it then fine, stay locked up at home forever, that's your choice.

>No one is going to be given the vaccine by force Yet. Remember that people said over a year ago that "no one will be denied access to facilities without a vaccine passport, that's ridiculous". And yet later on it has become somewhat accepted and even desired. If it saves lives and reduces harm perhaps people will also support force being used? There is no limit anymore, seems to me. Any means necessary seems to be s…

>>Remember that people said over a year ago that "no one will be denied access to facilities without a vaccine passport, that's ridiculous".

I definitely didn't say that, I was very firmly in the group that thinks people should absolutely be denied access to things without the vaccine passport.

Again, just like I'm fully in support of kindergardens not accepting kids that haven't been vaccinated - it's just not ok.

At the same time I don't want force to be used against anyone, denying access is enough.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

#79
post #67
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought to go to school you had to be vaccinated, even in Australia.

I happen to be double-vaccinated; but being a rebel I went to have a cafe breakfast a few weeks ago without the appropriate paperwork. The waiter didn't feel like making a fuss so I got to eat. Being ejected, fined and/or arrested for not having the correct paperwork to have breakfast is not a situation that has ever come up for me before. This is different from in-school vaccinations.

Of curse it's different, for one you're (already) vaccinated and for the other not. But what would have happened if you (or your parents) refused the school vaccinations?

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

#80
With all of the previous reporting on Austria's "lockdown of the unvaccinated", it was usually quietly left out that it was a lockdown of the unvaccinated AND never infected. (https://www.austria.info/en/service-and-facts/coronavirus-in...). Does anyone know if that's the case here as well?

This is still scary, but what's more scary to me is other western countries who willfully ignore immunity from recovery taking this as inspiration.

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