Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

Post by sennight » Sun, Nov 14, 2021, 2:53 PM UTC

ajross wrote: post #67

sennight wrote: post #41

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> In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how this all went so horrifically wrong. lol, it might take decades to massage public consciousness for a desired outcome in the state's interest, but it certainly doesn't take that long to get a handle on the actual issues: institutions used up all their credibility on transparently obvious misinformation. It started with the WHO, an organization already hurting…

So... and I mean this genuinely: nothing in that word salad refutes the fact that the vaccinated are 20x less likely to die from covid. There are always things for you to be upset about. But facts are facts. My "side" (led, perhaps, by misinformation pushed to us by various Institutions acting in The States Interest) was right, yours (seeing clearly) was... wrong. So maybe it's time to maybe revisit some of your othe…

Post by ajross » Sun, Nov 14, 2021, 3:18 PM UTC

throwaway829 wrote: post #54

ajross wrote: post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

CNN/MSNBC have misinformed you about Ivermectin. Do you think the inventors would get a Nobel Prize if it was just for horses? Advil is also used for horses but we don't misinform people and call it pain killer for horses. The new Pfizer drug, with 89% efficacy, is a protease inhibitor targeting 3CLPro. Ivermectin seems to also work as a protease inhibitor targeting 3CLPro. Repurposing a drug that we know is safe mea…

Post by throwawaysea » Sun, Nov 14, 2021, 5:37 PM UTC

ajross wrote: post #66

throwawaysea wrote: post #50

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> Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. Look I agree that vaccines confer a reduction in risk, but you really shouldn't be referring to ivermectin as “horse paste”. That is clearly pejorative misinformation, and is equivalent to calling all antibiotics “cow pills” just because there happen to be antibiotics administered to livestock.

No, sorry. People were literally taking horse paste formulations of a drug that did not work. That's not perjorative, it's descriptive. It sounds perjorative simply because it's outrageously stupid. But it's correct. Being embarrassed when someone calls you an idiot isn't being persecuted if you're actually being an idiot. If you don't want me to laugh at you for taking horse paste then don't take it.

Post by 8note » Sun, Nov 14, 2021, 6:57 PM UTC

throwaway829 wrote: post #54

ajross wrote: post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

CNN/MSNBC have misinformed you about Ivermectin. Do you think the inventors would get a Nobel Prize if it was just for horses? Advil is also used for horses but we don't misinform people and call it pain killer for horses. The new Pfizer drug, with 89% efficacy, is a protease inhibitor targeting 3CLPro. Ivermectin seems to also work as a protease inhibitor targeting 3CLPro. Repurposing a drug that we know is safe mea…

Post by ajross » Sun, Nov 14, 2021, 7:15 PM UTC

throwawaysea wrote: post #75

ajross wrote: post #66

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No, sorry. People were literally taking horse paste formulations of a drug that did not work. That's not perjorative, it's descriptive. It sounds perjorative simply because it's outrageously stupid. But it's correct. Being embarrassed when someone calls you an idiot isn't being persecuted if you're actually being an idiot. If you don't want me to laugh at you for taking horse paste then don't take it.

A couple comments: first, you know full well that your comment is aimed at everyone who considered use of ivermectin, not just “horse paste formulations” - rebranding ivermectin that way was part of the misinformation pushed by CNN and a significant portion of the political left as the COVID culture wars heated up, and it remains wrong still. Ivermectin is correctly described as a Nobel prize winning drug, not “horse…