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You’ve put your finger on a real problem for me. I live in the UK countryside, and we get a lot of serious cyclists visiting here. The most dangerous pattern I see is occupying the middle of the road - which is fine when they’re doing 25mph in a 30mph road. But they stay there in 60mph sections, causing drivers to accelerate and veer round them. If we had more riders doing the same thing on ebikes, I imagine there’d…
If you ride around in the gutter then you will get cars squeezing you all day long. Taking your position in the road is absolutely the right thing to do.
Reflections on E-Bikes
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#72So many cringe statements in this post I'm not going to reference them here. One note which I think is missed often with heavy electric cargo bikes is a simple equation, used in car collisions to determine safety requirements. F = 0.5 mv^2 The electric nature of these bikes makes them go faster than regular bikes so the force in case of an accident is increased by the square of increase in velocity. Add the increased…
I'd be surprised if it makes that much of a difference on impact, since the differential with a car doesn't change much. What will hurt is whether the brakes are sufficient to stop that mass, which naive conversions have. That makes the difference between stopping in time or not.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’ve put your finger on a real problem for me. I live in the UK countryside, and we get a lot of serious cyclists visiting here. The most dangerous pattern I see is occupying the middle of the road - which is fine when they’re doing 25mph in a 30mph road. But they stay there in 60mph sections, causing drivers to accelerate and veer round them. If we had more riders doing the same thing on ebikes, I imagine there’d…
If you ride around in the gutter then you will get cars squeezing you all day long. Taking your position in the road is absolutely the right thing to do.
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Yeah. I agree with this. I tend to be very law abiding. And I think e-bikes enable me to be more willing to come to complete stops, and generally follow traffic laws than most bike riders I know. But I’d definitely acknowledge that a lot of e-bike riders seem to be engaging in risky behavior, quite possibly without realizing the risk.
That's a good point about stops. Starting off on an ebike is so much easier haha. > I tend to be very law abiding. Same. I've always tried quite hard to follow the letter of the law on my bike; it seems every counter example is otherwise held against cyclists as a whole. I'm hesitant to criticize ebikes as I do think they're a net good. More people biking is better for everyone.
This made me think of Mr. Riah from Charles Dickens’ Our Mutual Friend, a Jew who had been operating a money-lending business:
> “It looked so bad, Jenny,” responded the old man, with gravity, “that I will straightway tell you what an impression it wrought upon me. I was hateful in mine own eyes. I was hateful to myself, in being so hateful to the debtor and to you. But more than that, and worse than that, and to pass out far and broad beyond myself—I reflected that evening, sitting alone in my garden on the housetop, that I was doing dishonour to my ancient faith and race. I reflected—clearly reflected for the first time—that in bending my neck to the yoke I was willing to wear, I bent the unwilling necks of the whole Jewish people. For it is not, in Christian countries, with the Jews as with other peoples. Men say, ‘This is a bad Greek, but there are good Greeks. This is a bad Turk, but there are good Turks.’ Not so with the Jews. Men find the bad among us easily enough—among what peoples are the bad not easily found?—but they take the worst of us as samples of the best; they take the lowest of us as presentations of the highest; and they say ‘All Jews are alike.’ If, doing what I was content to do here, because I was grateful for the past and have small need of money now, I had been a Christian, I could have done it, compromising no one but my individual self. But doing it as a Jew, I could not choose but compromise the Jews of all conditions and all countries. It is a little hard upon us, but it is the truth. I would that all our people remembered it! Though I have little right to say so, seeing that it came home so late to me.”
Re: Reflections on E-Bikes
#75This sounds great in theory, but I don't find it convincing. Motorcyclists say the same thing about speed being a benefit and maybe it is in some cases, but if you look at the stats, the faster the bike, the more likely you will die. Speeding is a factor in 32% of fatalities. I'd be surprised if it's significantly different on an e-bike.
There's a pretty big difference between going 20 mph vs going 60 or whatever on a motorcycle.
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If you ride around in the gutter then you will get cars squeezing you all day long. Taking your position in the road is absolutely the right thing to do.
This sense of self-righteousness helps nobody. It creates a phoney war between different types of road user, as opposed to looking for ways we can coexist peacefully.
It's not self-righteousness to want to ride safely.
If you ride in the gutter then drivers will squeeze pass without making a conscious overtaking decision. That is not safe. Most car drivers will take your distance from the curb as an indication of how far out they should pass you.
Not only that but the gutter is full of potholes and sunken drains, these are a major hazard to cyclists. You can't ride around them if you are being squeezed by cars.
It also gives you more room to manoeuvre in case someone in a car does make a mistake.
>It creates a phoney war between different types of road user, as opposed to looking for ways we can coexist peacefully.
Something tells me your idea of peacefully coexisting means me being subservient to you.
Re: Reflections on E-Bikes
#77I am an amateur e-biker. Luckily I live in a city with bikeshare so I don’t have to own one, I just rent it for my commute. 5 miles each way. It takes half the time as public transit used to. Before the bike share I would waste at least 90 minutes a day waiting for and commuting on public transit. Now it’s no more than 24 minutes door to door each way. I get mild exercise, and it’s fun! I still own a non e-bike (fat…
So, a motorbike a passes a human powered vehicle? That should come as no surprise to neither of you. :)
To be honest, I don't get the appeal of e-bikes for the type of riding you do. Getting up to 15 MPH when you're riding for 8 km in a city when stopping for lights should be no problem without disabilities on a decent bike. An 8 km ride takes 20 minutes at 15 MPH. At 20 MPH it's 15 minutes. You'd add 5 minutes off your ride and get some proper exercise.
As a reference, my grandmother rode her bike 12 miles to school and then back at the age of 10.
E-bikes make a lot of sense for longer rides with cargo bikes packed kids, trash, food and whatnot.
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#78The thing about ebikes is they sit in a speed niche that hasn't really been seen before, and it's going to cause lots of problems. Before ebikes, you either rode a bicycle, or moved up to a motorscooter or motorcycle, which are much more regulated. The problem is, ebikes are stealth motorscooters . They go really, really fast, for sustained periods of time, and yet are as thin and quiet as a pedal bike. I just starte…
> They go really, really fast, for sustained periods of time, and yet are as thin and quiet as a pedal bike. Not really? Class 1 and 2 ebikes in the US top out at 20 mph. Ebikes in Europe usually top out at 25 km/h (15.5 mph). Even 20 mph is achievable by a moderately fit person on a road bike for a sustained period of time.
I'm not sure why the downvotes. Oh well.
Re: Reflections on E-Bikes
#79Fortnine made an excellent argument against the safety of ebikes, worth watching as a rebuttal to this article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM8Xli2KTzI
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#80In Sydney it’s just too treacherous to cycle, and the risk of injury is too high to me to make it worth it. In addition there are places where bikes are massively inconvenienced vs cars. The classic example is the (I’d guess) 6 story flight of stairs to walk your bike up to use the harbour bridge. There are other examples like this, around bridges. These add a lot of time and sweat to a commute making it more conveni…
We will be moving to a house in the suburbs next year, and then we probably will get a cargo bike, as there we will have space to safely store it and the roads are better for cycling than the city centre. Bikes also need a good amount of infrastructure, and most cities do not have that right now. Given its usually car drivers that pay taxes for roads (either a direct road tax or through fuel) it not really a suprise…
In most places the cost of roads (especially local roads) is being partially covered by general taxes. Where I live is it around 50%.