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Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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Interestingly there are people like myself who don't have an inner monologue (some people supposedly even have a constant dialogue with themselves) at all. The only time I experience something like an inner voice is when reading. My normal thoughts are more abstract I guess, I'm just sort of aware of what I want to do, how I feel etc. It's hard to describe.

I’m pretty skeptical of people that make this claim. It’s just surprising to me that a base level feature would work so differently. I’d expect some variation in models (like that old Feynman video about counting), but if you can speak and use language it’s hard for me to accept literally no internal voice is going on. I’ve always kinda suspected people making this claim are lacking introspection to such an extreme e…

> I’m pretty skeptical of people that make this claim.

Your essential point for justifying this skepticism is that you cannot imagine people are this different. In my experience people are always a little bit more different than you can imagine. After all, there are people that tirelessly work to charitable ends on one end and people that run death camps on the other.

> people making this claim are lacking introspection to such an extreme extent

It's perfectly acceptable to you to imagine that you are (essentially) fundamentally better or more complete than them, but not that perhaps they are your equals and merely experience life differently. I think it could be valuable to figure out why one is easy to you while the other is hard.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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> (Don't think this nurse is hot! Don't think this nurse is hot! Holy shit she's hot.) > (You can do this) > (OMG, is it on already?) > (You can do this) > (What a nice bottom) > (Don't think bottom you idiot) > (She's entering the room, think something else, now, fast, bunny bunny) > (Bunny) > (Bunny) > (Bunny, you got this)

This is a decode of attempted handwriting, so it’s unlikely to have a leak of subconscious like this

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly there are people like myself who don't have an inner monologue (some people supposedly even have a constant dialogue with themselves) at all. The only time I experience something like an inner voice is when reading. My normal thoughts are more abstract I guess, I'm just sort of aware of what I want to do, how I feel etc. It's hard to describe.

I’m pretty skeptical of people that make this claim. It’s just surprising to me that a base level feature would work so differently. I’d expect some variation in models (like that old Feynman video about counting), but if you can speak and use language it’s hard for me to accept literally no internal voice is going on. I’ve always kinda suspected people making this claim are lacking introspection to such an extreme e…

Language is still a learned skill. It is quite normal to assume someone not raised in civilization and doesn't speak any human languages does not have an inner monologue expressed in words. While we do all thinking in terms of words (thats how we express ideas) it doesn't necessarily follow. I do have quite a loud "copilot" but I can see how it's a configurable behavior

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m pretty skeptical of people that make this claim. It’s just surprising to me that a base level feature would work so differently. I’d expect some variation in models (like that old Feynman video about counting), but if you can speak and use language it’s hard for me to accept literally no internal voice is going on. I’ve always kinda suspected people making this claim are lacking introspection to such an extreme e…

I truly believe this can be quite different between people. Personally I don't have "a" inner voice, but a quorum of three, all of which together form "my" thoughts

That kind of variation isn’t too surprising to me. The claim that there isn’t one at all though I don’t really buy.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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> (Don't think this nurse is hot! Don't think this nurse is hot! Holy shit she's hot.) > (You can do this) > (OMG, is it on already?) > (You can do this) > (What a nice bottom) > (Don't think bottom you idiot) > (She's entering the room, think something else, now, fast, bunny bunny) > (Bunny) > (Bunny) > (Bunny, you got this)

“ translates his imagined handwriting into actual text.” Not sure why people love to skip any interesting conversation and immediately run into the weeds. Imagine if we worked as hard at solving the actual problem rather than discussing all the things that could go wrong.

Good point, and we are! BCI is a rapidly growing field with plenty of academic and now industry groups working on all aspects of implantable devices, decode algorithms, etc.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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> (Don't think this nurse is hot! Don't think this nurse is hot! Holy shit she's hot.) > (You can do this) > (OMG, is it on already?) > (You can do this) > (What a nice bottom) > (Don't think bottom you idiot) > (She's entering the room, think something else, now, fast, bunny bunny) > (Bunny) > (Bunny) > (Bunny, you got this)

Sooooo....

A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, I was dating an insanely hot girl...

When she asked me to go get an STD test prior to us doing anything...

I was 18 - and it was all good...

So I go to the clinic and am awaiting to see what happens at said test...

This ISANELY hot nurse comes in and tells me about the procedure and such and then leaves me in the room to disrobe...

I sit there literally goin g through such thoughts in my mind "DONT GET HARD DONT GET HARD" etc...

So I spend what feels like an eternitiy trying different thought methods to keep me distracted away from that amazingly beautiful nurse...

Then the door opens.

And in steps this troll of a person to do the actual procedure.... dealing with if I am flaccid is no longer a problem.

A few years later my DAD told me about Whitehouse.com being a porn website...

I check it out (this was lit. like 1999 or so)

I find a nice video and the girl in the video was my super hot girlfriend who asked me for the STD test... and thats when I knew why.

(BTW I'm now old and still flaccid.)

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

#77

I wonder if it’d be faster if you imagined typing instead of writing (obviously would require the patient to be a proficient typist).

I don't think it works like that. Letters are shapes but keys just are a relative position. The software is reading gestures, specific keypress motions seems much less data to work with.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly there are people like myself who don't have an inner monologue (some people supposedly even have a constant dialogue with themselves) at all. The only time I experience something like an inner voice is when reading. My normal thoughts are more abstract I guess, I'm just sort of aware of what I want to do, how I feel etc. It's hard to describe.

I’m pretty skeptical of people that make this claim. It’s just surprising to me that a base level feature would work so differently. I’d expect some variation in models (like that old Feynman video about counting), but if you can speak and use language it’s hard for me to accept literally no internal voice is going on. I’ve always kinda suspected people making this claim are lacking introspection to such an extreme e…

Do you not consider introspection a base level feature? I think the point of these aphantasia-related discussions is that people make wrong assumptions about what is base-level.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m pretty skeptical of people that make this claim. It’s just surprising to me that a base level feature would work so differently. I’d expect some variation in models (like that old Feynman video about counting), but if you can speak and use language it’s hard for me to accept literally no internal voice is going on. I’ve always kinda suspected people making this claim are lacking introspection to such an extreme e…

Language is still a learned skill. It is quite normal to assume someone not raised in civilization and doesn't speak any human languages does not have an inner monologue expressed in words. While we do all thinking in terms of words (thats how we express ideas) it doesn't necessarily follow. I do have quite a loud "copilot" but I can see how it's a configurable behavior

If you don’t have language I’d guess a lot of things are different about how you think.

If you can speak, read, and write though?

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly there are people like myself who don't have an inner monologue (some people supposedly even have a constant dialogue with themselves) at all. The only time I experience something like an inner voice is when reading. My normal thoughts are more abstract I guess, I'm just sort of aware of what I want to do, how I feel etc. It's hard to describe.

It sounds peaceful. Do you experience it that way?

In my experience, it's not significantly more peaceful than how other people experience life: I can still ruminate, it just doesn't involve an internal monologue or dialogue.
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