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I spent some time time as a tier one agent, and will gladly confirm that any complaints given to us were forgotten by the time the call disconnected. If you're rude enough we might leave a note in your file as a warning to the next agent, but that's about as far as complaint handling ever went. Same goes for wanting a manager. Floor managers have no special tricks that they can use to fix problems, just nicer bedside…
Where did you work? Different businesses have different policies.
Xfinity outage leaves tens of thousands in the Bay Area without internet
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Re: Xfinity outage leaves tens of thousands in the Bay Area without internet
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
The meeting where everyone will ignore all of the other forces at play that caused the outcome, and pretend that if only Joe or Mary had been better in some way, the whole disaster never would have happened. Yeah, fuck that shit.
At a previous job they sent everyone in the IT department to cause map training to improve root causes analysis. Mainly to get away from blame assigning.
Re: Xfinity outage leaves tens of thousands in the Bay Area without internet
#73Re: Xfinity outage leaves tens of thousands in the Bay Area without internet
#74https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7133-beyond_your_cable_modem
A email I sent just weeks ago..
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>> ------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Serious DOCSIS maintenance network issue >> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 21:09:16 -0700 >> From: Admin >> To: xxxx@cablelabs.com, xxxx@cablelabs.com, xxx@cablelabs.com, xxx@cablelabs.com, xxx@cablelabs.com >> >> >> >> Hi all.. >> >> You guys hate me :( First it was Puma and the badmodems.com list and now this.. >> >> I am sorry to directly email you. No need to respond. Its OK, I understand its a legal thing. I wont email again. Sorry for this hassle. Sorry for a long read. >> >> There appears to be a very serious gap in your security best practices and policies that could result in a very widespread serious incident that could effect all DOCSIS systems worldwide and result in a worldwide incident. >> >> This appears to be from MSOs deploying horrendously bad security on the maintenance network. >> >> The issues are being discussed publicly. This thread begins with discussion of firmware and then turns to the maintenance network which appears to have little if any security implemented possibly because there is no modern published best practices for the maintenance network beyond something from the 1990's. https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31122204-SB6190-Puma6-TCP-... >> >> The maintenance network, which controls all the devices on a DOCSIS network, is susceptible to attack. In fact its nearly criminally negligent in its lack of security and appears to be based on 1990's security protocols of mostly security thru obscurity. .. A subscriber on the LAN side can determine his address on the maintenance network and can ping ANY CPE on the network as long as they are on the same ISP. The CPE are not walled off from each other in any way. This could result in a VAST compromise of the entire MSO network nationwide from a 0-day worm that self spreads via the wide open maintenance network connecting all devices. . . ALL susceptible devices on your network, 10's of millions, could be taken over in hours with a self spreading worm with a nearly impossible task of clean up and maybe a week of complete ISP downtime. This would also result in the largest loss of subscribers in history for cable as people flee to DSL and 5G that day trying to get internet. You would need new firmware for every device that addresses the issue, and getting new firmware will take weeks. All the susceptible CPE might be bricked with no hope of recovery once taken over. The current security practices are inadequacy. The news coverage would be devastating. Each modem/router could attack the subscriber side and scrape data and files. On the ISP side it would lock out all maintenance access and recovery of the devices, and the whole network, nearly impossible. It would setup a serious botnet - possibly the largest ever created when combined with the other top world wide ISPs. It might even result in a Ransom ware attack on a massive scale with all the CPE locked out from the ISP. A silent malware could spread stealthy and then sit on CPE and attack the subscribers quietly by doing fake DNS and even MiM attacks. This could already be the case. A botnet of CPE would be incredibly powerful >> >> This wide open gap appears to exist in most ISPs. So it is a CableLabs lack of proper security vision to keep up with modern threats by doing best practices for the maintenance network seems to be the main issue. 10G offers micronets and SDN containment of LAN devices,,, yet the ISP has nothing like it to protect its own network and its subscribers. >> >> Each ISP will need to do a 3rd party security audit and pentest of all the MSO's maintenance networks and secure them. The kinda emergency level, possible fairly easy temp fix is simple. Isolate each piece of CPE. Right now all CPE can see each other and spread worms. Simply doing a config change could wall off each device with NO downside. This might be able to be implemented maybe in a day. This alone would reduce the issue to nearly zero. BLocking access to the maintenance network from the subscriber is also key and most likely easy. MSOs REALLY need to do this and because these discussions are going on now, badguys could be reading, so RIGHT NOW is the time to secure MSO networks BEFORE a incident occurs. >> >> There may be simple quick solutions to avoid this doomsday scenario.. Make sure you read up to the current postings. https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31122204-SB6190-Puma6-TCP-... >> >> I will be following up to be sure you got this message. >> >> You can contact me for any further details or respond to this email. >> >> I am the guy who found the Puma issue. So you guys know I can be persistent and noisy. I would really like to hear that CableLabs is going to pursue a whole new approach to device security on the maintenance network including RAPID firmware deployment. EVERYBODY wins.. >> >> Sorry for blasting the email. Sorry to start your monday kinda ruff. Think of it as a cool new feature. >> >> I have contacted all the top 10 MSOs and sent reports to the security teams. They are the guys who made this mess, but, they need a good best practice to follow and that does not seem to be there. >> >> Gone are the days of junk boxes with poor CPUs. MSOs are dropping POWERFUL devices with lots of RAM and Flash. They run Microsoft or Linux. They are connected to a massive bandwidth pipe. It looks possible to take over whole ISPs. These are prime targets no one has noticed yet apparently. Gone are the days of old.. These are high value targets and a bot net of incredible scale... Its time for a top down new approach to firmware and device security.. >> >> Of course none of my doomsday scenarios most likely will ever happen.. And most likely everything is fine.. BUT MSO's can't just keep these maintenance networks so 1990s sloppy. >> >> IMHO.. >> >> xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx >> >> >> >
Re: Xfinity outage leaves tens of thousands in the Bay Area without internet
#75One nice thing about San Francisco is we have many great alternatives for ISPs. Comcast truly is terrible. Wave Broadband is an excellent competing cable Internet company. Sonic is the best ISP I have ever had or could even imagine; reliable symmetric gigabit fiber, super low latency (4ms to the edge, it's all glass), tech support that knows what they're doing. There's also MonkeyBrains for 100+Mbps fixed wireless. N…
I really wish I had other viable options. I live in SOMA and I have 1Gbps service from Comcast, which did go out last night. My other options are DSL, so it's going to max out at 20Mbps or so. I do have roof access, so I guess I could also see about MonkeyBrains. All that said, during the outage, I just tethered to my iPhone on an AT&T unlimited plan, and was able to stream full quality video to my laptop. I think I…
Re: Xfinity outage leaves tens of thousands in the Bay Area without internet
#76Re: Xfinity outage leaves tens of thousands in the Bay Area without internet
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s not “hassling,” that’s “clarifying criticality.” The notion that we can’t even pass complaints along to support agents isn’t helpful. In my case when I lodge a complaint or turn down a solution it’s not meant as a personal attack. I legit want the company to know that they’re falling short and that I’m probably looking for alternatives. Obviously don’t start getting angry, but if there’s a point of frustration…
I spent some time time as a tier one agent, and will gladly confirm that any complaints given to us were forgotten by the time the call disconnected. If you're rude enough we might leave a note in your file as a warning to the next agent, but that's about as far as complaint handling ever went. Same goes for wanting a manager. Floor managers have no special tricks that they can use to fix problems, just nicer bedside…