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Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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I'm not sure I would use the image of a slave owner when trying to make a point about freedom...

Your ideology is flawed. Human beings are not divided into two camps, "Good" and "Bad." You do not slice the pie in two and and discard everyone in the "Bad" camp. If you do, and do so honestly, you will find in short order that you have discarded everyone who ever lived, or ever will. Humans are complicated creatures with many flaws and nobilities. Because of Washington's actions in both the revolution and his presi…

You did a much better job than I did explaining why Washington is a risky person to associate with when trying to convey the idea of freedom. His legacy in that regard is too messy.

And you're absolutely right - I am not enlightened.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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> It makes me wonder whether everyone who is extremely anti-censorship really does just want to scream the N-word in everyone's face all day, deep down. This is an absolutely ridiculous and tiresome caricature. Honestly, where have you actually seen this? I've seen some fairly "coarse" discussion forums in my time. They're not really to my taste, but I rarely (if ever) see people using the N-word, let alone screaming…

voat, the free speech version of Reddit went down this path very quickly. Most forums don't tolerate obvious hate speech, so the people who want to do that have to go to places that promise 'no moderation'

Voat is a pretty famous and obvious example, sure. But how many people who like to bring up voat actually visited the site or tried to use it? Did you?

For the record, I've never visited voat, so I don't know how accurate the reports are. I can say that I have visited other forums with very lax moderation, and the caricature of "screaming the N-word in everyone's face" doesn't seem accurate.

Generally the reason I avoid unmoderated platforms has little to do with "hate speech" (whatever that is) but more to do with the lack of interesting or original content.

The risk with moderated platforms is this: in whose interest is the moderation being performed? Is the moderation being performed to serve the interests of the platform's users, or is it to serve other interests?

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

#74
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Every single time someone tries something like this, it becomes a bastion for hate speech and everyone else is driven away. It turns out most people actually like a moderated forum. If you joined a book club and every meeting had people just screaming the N-word at the top of their lungs the entire time, I suspect you wouldn't stay at that book club long. Yet time and time again we see people learning this same lesso…

In threads like this, I'm always struck by the absence of discussion from a security-minded, denial-of-service attack perspective. It seems like, if someone didn't want one of these platforms to succeed, all that would be necessary would be to hire a few people to spam certain taboo words and ideas from various sockpuppet accounts, and then the rest of the world points at it and says, "It seems like everyone on this…

It doesn't even have to be something universally understood to be offensive. I wonder what happens when pro-Taiwan posts start appearing? How will China react?

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I would use the image of a slave owner when trying to make a point about freedom...

Your ideology is flawed. Human beings are not divided into two camps, "Good" and "Bad." You do not slice the pie in two and and discard everyone in the "Bad" camp. If you do, and do so honestly, you will find in short order that you have discarded everyone who ever lived, or ever will. Humans are complicated creatures with many flaws and nobilities. Because of Washington's actions in both the revolution and his presi…

apparently washington was also generally a bad military strategist and tactician, racked by uncertainty and indecisiveness. he happened to get lucky in a couple crucial battles, otherwise we may have had no idea who he was. so luck strikes again, and washington the symbol is more relevant than washington the man.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Welcome to NoFILTER, the unstoppable, uncensorable, undeplatformable freedom of speech app. By design, this app allows you to spread your word without limits. This app and your articles reside on the Interplanetary File System (IPFS), a decentralized mesh network consisting of thousands of user nodes. There is no web server, no database, and no cloud; therefore, making this app and your content unstoppable and undepl…

"Free speech" of the type often invoked these days is essentially, "the right to be hateful, attack other groups and lobby for their subjugation". Then, of course, there's the "right to poison society by spreading radicalizing disinformation".

Adherents to this style of free speech decry their de-platforming by "big tech" which doesn't want to endorse their toxicity (partly because dysfunctional societies are bad for business and partly because their targeted customers may speak with their wallets).

The acolytes' standard reaction in response to this violation of their right to be awful is "who gets to choose which speech is acceptable?" as if we don't otherwise have a functioning society, social contract, and laws.

Other people get to choose. That's who. Their right to free speech includes a non-obligation to regurgitate your speech. Don't want to be "censored"? Then, don't pretend you have no idea what anti-social behavior is and don't be awful to other people.

Otherwise expect that you're free to talk, but no one's obligated to listen.

For those who don't agree with this, then tell you what: pick something absolutely and near universally abhorrent, say sexual abuse of children, and make the right to lobby for its legitimacy your rallying cry. Use it as the example of speech you intend to allow because "who should be the arbiter?"

Until you're willing to stake your beliefs (or project, etc.) on that, no one should buy what you're selling. Because then it becomes immediately obvious that what you're really lobbying for is a narrow, but vocal group of people whose ideas you likely agree with, but whose speech you view as recently restricted.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

#77
post #73

The first amendment protects you from being arrested by the government for what you say. It does not protect you from everyone else saying you're a fucking idiot and shunning you when you say something stupid....

This site doesn't even mention the first amendment.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

#78
post #14

I smiled at their George Washington quote; people who know George Washington's stance on free speech (e.g. his support for the Sedition Act) understand that he drew the line of free speech much more harsh than what we do today.

You must smile a lot if you smile every time someone quotes someone else though they don't agree with everything they've ever said and done.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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post #5

Every single time someone tries something like this, it becomes a bastion for hate speech and everyone else is driven away. It turns out most people actually like a moderated forum. If you joined a book club and every meeting had people just screaming the N-word at the top of their lungs the entire time, I suspect you wouldn't stay at that book club long. Yet time and time again we see people learning this same lesso…

Back in April I fired up LBRY when I heard about it. Sounded kinda neat on a technical front. 95% of the page was conspiracy-tards and racists. Noped right off, and haven't been on since. Just launched it again and the front page shows a video from some asshole talking about how she's discovered that Measles is a sham and SHE has uncovered the fact that NOBODY has proved the existence of virus particles! Also, turns…

It's really that the people who can't stand them get them kicked off Youtube. That's the definition of legitimate use.
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