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Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by t0bia_s » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 8:39 AM UTC

thrashh wrote: post #41

Every time these kind of articles come up, either from people for or against the mandates or vaccines, I want to remind everyone that you judge veracity by considering the circumstances of the source, never the source itself. The exact same words coming from someone working for a cigarette company versus someone working for a renowned research institution cannot be construed in the same way, even if they are the exac…

Yes, we should ask basic questions as "How many people do you know personally that was healthy and suddenly die for virus with uknown origin?" or "How many people do you know personally that died or has serious side effects from vaccines?" We shouldn't let media and data etc. think for ourselves.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by jjeaff » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 10:20 AM UTC

throwntoday wrote: post #67

nuerow wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That your mind equates speaking freely to poking a bear says a lot. Yes, it does speak volumes on the problem the US is facing with its authoritarian, anti-intellectual, proto-fascist political movements. The science community should be free from persecution just because extremists have a hard time dealing with inconvenient info. > What makes you feel safe? Personally I feel safe when I don't have terrorists threat…

>vaccines work Which ones? The covid-19 ones? Their efficacy is waning at best . Multiple nations with >80% vaccination rate were still dealing with outbreaks last I checked. And before you talk mortality/hospitalization rates, those are down across the board, and clearly would have gone down regardless. Science is being attacked by both sides. When I say they are being cowards, I mean that they have let 100 years of…

The current covid vaccines are some of the most efficacious vaccines we have ever had. Even with efficacy waning due to variants, they are still very effective.

And no, not all vaccines prevent infection. It has long been well understood in immunology that some vaccines do not prevent infection but rather poor outcomes.

The vaccine reduces level and length of infectivity by anywhere between 50% and 80% depending on which study and which variant.

The anti COVID vaccine rhetoric is directly responsible for the lives of hundreds of thousands. And it may yet lead to many more.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by phero_cnstrcts » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 4:06 PM UTC

jjeaff wrote: post #72

throwntoday wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>vaccines work Which ones? The covid-19 ones? Their efficacy is waning at best . Multiple nations with >80% vaccination rate were still dealing with outbreaks last I checked. And before you talk mortality/hospitalization rates, those are down across the board, and clearly would have gone down regardless. Science is being attacked by both sides. When I say they are being cowards, I mean that they have let 100 years of…

The current covid vaccines are some of the most efficacious vaccines we have ever had. Even with efficacy waning due to variants, they are still very effective. And no, not all vaccines prevent infection. It has long been well understood in immunology that some vaccines do not prevent infection but rather poor outcomes. The vaccine reduces level and length of infectivity by anywhere between 50% and 80% depending on w…

Then why are they not working in places with high vaccination rates? Take Israel for example.

Oh, it would have been much worse if they weren’t vaccinated?

I guess we’ll just have to take the experts word for it...

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by throwntoday » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 3:14 AM UTC

phero_cnstrcts wrote: post #73

jjeaff wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current covid vaccines are some of the most efficacious vaccines we have ever had. Even with efficacy waning due to variants, they are still very effective. And no, not all vaccines prevent infection. It has long been well understood in immunology that some vaccines do not prevent infection but rather poor outcomes. The vaccine reduces level and length of infectivity by anywhere between 50% and 80% depending on w…

Then why are they not working in places with high vaccination rates? Take Israel for example. Oh, it would have been much worse if they weren’t vaccinated? I guess we’ll just have to take the experts word for it...

Except that Israel study of like 2 million people showed that natural immunity was something like 7-16x more effective than the vaccine.

Hmm...