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How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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Is there a name for this effect in an abstract sense? I see it pop up a lot where the gains from scaling are super-linear to the scale itself. Or is it just called "economies of scale".

Marginal cost of production? If we take "energy consumption" to mean "cost", and "serving web requests" to mean "production", then your fixed cost is the idle energy load, and the marginal cost is how much more energy you would need to serve an additional request.

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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I wonder how much the efficiency loss from a laptop car charger would compare to just using something like a NUC -- IIRC some of their models have really wide input voltage ranges (12v-20v or something like that, depends on the model). The laptop is really just bringing a battery, compared to a NUC, for this application, and they are going panel->regulator->battery->converter anyway so the laptop battery seems redund…

Odroid H1/H2 iirc can run from like 10-22VDC, the issue is finding a solar panel that has an open circuit voltage less than 22V. I found a buck-boost that works with my old laptop and a "car charger" with my admittedly oddball solar panels, so this is possibly, but takes time shopping and reading specifications.

That's not a way to get good power out of the PV panel, though. An MPPT tracker (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_power_point_tracking) is needed to get the best results, and the room for improvement is indeed substantial. There are good and cheap chinese ones available, such as Epever brand.

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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Rather than inverting 12V DC to 240V AC and back, you could skip a step and use a laptop car charger, converting 12V DC straight to ~20V DC.

You could also use a desktop with one of these ATX power supplies that runs on 12VDC instead of 120/240VAC: https://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/2302

Wow, I was not expecting that price! Is this just a rare item or is there something particularity expensive inside it?

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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Adding the obligatory "what if M1" comment. Anandtech tested power draw of an M1 Mac Mini and found 4.2W at idle, 26.5W for the average multithreaded workload. 1/3rd idle power and the same power draw while running multithreaded benchmarks compared to the laptop serving a single client. Would be interesting to compare. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste...

I was recently traveling with a M1 MacBook, and had a 20W solar panel + a 24Ah power bank for charging. Worked like a treat for coding.

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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post #49

Technically, it should be "200 watts". The losses happen due to all the inversion and conversion (I think... right?)

TLDR (although it's quite short), he got 21W. The largest factor is the day-cycle. He gets 3 hours equivalent of Sun light a day. I really expected Australia to be more sunny than that.

Planting trees around your house creates a lot of passive cooling, which can save you a lot of power on making the interior comfortable.

It also makes roof top solar a bit of a joke.

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much the efficiency loss from a laptop car charger would compare to just using something like a NUC -- IIRC some of their models have really wide input voltage ranges (12v-20v or something like that, depends on the model). The laptop is really just bringing a battery, compared to a NUC, for this application, and they are going panel->regulator->battery->converter anyway so the laptop battery seems redund…

Odroid H1/H2 iirc can run from like 10-22VDC, the issue is finding a solar panel that has an open circuit voltage less than 22V. I found a buck-boost that works with my old laptop and a "car charger" with my admittedly oddball solar panels, so this is possibly, but takes time shopping and reading specifications.

The design in the article (which does seem to have some redundant parts, so...) instead goes:

Panel -> regulator -> battery -> inverter -> laptop

So, the voltage of the panel shouldn't really matter too much, I think (I mean, you size the regulator input range as appropriate). OTOH, solar panels are a little magical from my point of view, so maybe that regulator ought to be replaced by some solarpanel specific thing, which might be more constricting.

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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Adding the obligatory "what if M1" comment. Anandtech tested power draw of an M1 Mac Mini and found 4.2W at idle, 26.5W for the average multithreaded workload. 1/3rd idle power and the same power draw while running multithreaded benchmarks compared to the laptop serving a single client. Would be interesting to compare. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste...

I was recently traveling with a M1 MacBook, and had a 20W solar panel + a 24Ah power bank for charging. Worked like a treat for coding.

Can you elaborate a little more on your setup? That sounds interesting.

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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You can use nvidia-prime to run on intel only right?

> run on intel only How does that work on a Ryzen laptop?

The English doesn't (quite work), but Intel here refers to the integrated, power-thrifty GPU, so could be more pedantically stated as "run on integrated graphics chip and turn off the Nvidia discrete GPU (and save power)" instead.
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