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> They often say that there's no one more hopeless than a rich junky. If they have a very large amount of money, they never hit rock bottom until they're dead. She’s fortunately still alive, but when I divorced my ex-wife over her substance abuse, she walked away with ~$1M in cash. It took three years of partying, but she finally ran out of money, hit rock bottom, went to AA, and is actually looking for a job. It was…

> No-fault means what?

I believe they are referring to half of all assets going to your spouse without a prenuptial agreement even if there was a good reason for divorce.

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This Zappos article is like the whole catalog of rich people problems in a nutshell: drugs, parasitic relationships, arrests, and dumb accidents. I know some people who know people who made a lot of money in the 2000s dot com boom. One of them got a "guru" who he paid several thousands of dollars a day to. The "guru" fed him Ayahuasca and people who visited the rich guy at his house said he had removed all furniture…

I have never tried any drugs/alcohol, but I'm curious about Ayahuasca. Don't know anyone personally who has been through the ceremony, but I've listened to a bunch of interviews, read a bunch of articles about it. It mostly seems legit, but I have no clue. Anyone here tried it? What was the experience like?

Ayahuasca, hmm, a drug you might choose to use for health reasons in the same way a car accident might re-align your back, it's extremely dangerous to use and anyone who tells you different is probably trying to sell something that cannot be bought.

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I picked psilocybin for you. "Psilocybin is not considered to be addictive nor does it cause compulsive use" - [0] [0]: https://drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/are-psilocybin-mushrooms-a...

You can still be damaged by a drug even if you are not addicted to it.

Yes, but that has nothing to do with drug abuse. That has to do with the fact that it's drugs.

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Nitrous oxide abuse is really dangerous > Hi Everyone, > I have quite probably taken more Nitrous (at least in Whippit form) than anyone else alive. So I feel compelled to share with all of you - my experience. Read more: https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/nitrous-oxide-experienc...

Glad you're still here to share your (mis)adventures, the streets here are littered with those little silver 'bullets', I thought we had a problem, now I'm just wondering where you live...

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Dissociatives (e.g., ketamine, nitrous oxide, xenon, phencyclidine, dextromethorphan in cough syrup) are too addictive, too pleasurable, and reliably produce long-lasting delusional states (e.g., as observed in John C. Lilly and Marcia Moore and Tony Hsieh). It is disturbing to read Marcia Moore's "Journeys Into the Bright World" ( http://pdf.textfiles.com/books/journeysbrightworld.pdf ) where she recounts that John…

> unambiguously good: tryptamines (e.g., psilocybin) and phenethylamines (e.g., mescaline). My friends uncle died jumping off a building on acid. Not one of the psychedelics you named, but having done all three I certainly think such a drastic action is possible on mushrooms or mescaline. Whether this means they aren't unambiguously good is up for debate I guess.

Stupid tourists on mushrooms have killed themselves in Amsterdam more than once by defenestration.

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This Zappos article is like the whole catalog of rich people problems in a nutshell: drugs, parasitic relationships, arrests, and dumb accidents. I know some people who know people who made a lot of money in the 2000s dot com boom. One of them got a "guru" who he paid several thousands of dollars a day to. The "guru" fed him Ayahuasca and people who visited the rich guy at his house said he had removed all furniture…

I have never tried any drugs/alcohol, but I'm curious about Ayahuasca. Don't know anyone personally who has been through the ceremony, but I've listened to a bunch of interviews, read a bunch of articles about it. It mostly seems legit, but I have no clue. Anyone here tried it? What was the experience like?

Try shrooms or acid before Ayahuasca. DMT is something not to be taken lightly

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This Zappos article is like the whole catalog of rich people problems in a nutshell: drugs, parasitic relationships, arrests, and dumb accidents. I know some people who know people who made a lot of money in the 2000s dot com boom. One of them got a "guru" who he paid several thousands of dollars a day to. The "guru" fed him Ayahuasca and people who visited the rich guy at his house said he had removed all furniture…

> They often say that there's no one more hopeless than a rich junky. If they have a very large amount of money, they never hit rock bottom until they're dead. Why doesn't anyone make the argument of quality vs. quantity when discussing such examplers 5 years spent as a rich junkie must be worth a lifetime as a 9-5 cubicle worker

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Howard Hughes had severe allodynia in an age in which there was no real medical treatment for it Still, to this day, there is no amazing treatment for it. Especially because there are more than a few not well understood causes of it. Some medications work well for some, but not at all for others. Hughes was, by all accounts, essentially a prisoner of his unrelenting misfiring nervous system. I think he lived out his…

There are also a number of credible reports that Hughes had severely screwed up his lower back, spine and tendons, ligaments and musculature in earlier airplane crashes. Never properly treated, and medicated over the years with increasing amounts of self-administered drugs of his choice.

There was at least one crash that he simply shouldn't have walked away from.

https://www.latimes.com/visuals/photography/la-me-fw-archive...

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Dissociatives (e.g., ketamine, nitrous oxide, xenon, phencyclidine, dextromethorphan in cough syrup) are too addictive, too pleasurable, and reliably produce long-lasting delusional states (e.g., as observed in John C. Lilly and Marcia Moore and Tony Hsieh). It is disturbing to read Marcia Moore's "Journeys Into the Bright World" ( http://pdf.textfiles.com/books/journeysbrightworld.pdf ) where she recounts that John…

I'm not going to argue with you in general about the dangers of ketamine et al, I have seen it myself. But personally (this is anecdata) I have never had the compulsion to use it like so many others for some reason. Quasi-autism, a very strong internal governor limiting any compulsions , my NON-use of it as a substitute for cocaine like the majority of people... Drugs are only the tools for trying to manage whatever internal psychological processes are driving you to take them and if those processes are too 'strong', people go down the path you speak of. It is not the tool's fault, etc.

I was using K as a temporary vacation from reality aka k-hole. Lovely wonderful experiences and I innately knew it was helping with the depression. The most important factor was the set/setting/almost ritualistic use. And I don't do it anymore, never did it so much like so many other people.... and no compulsion to either. I have been sitting on some MXE for a decade now as well... I am an outlier??

Ritual is an element that is sorely lacking in the majority of westerner's use of psychedelics - it does comes with the ayahuasca package "just because that is what you're supposed to do" aka drugs tourism. But the other stuff... This element of ritual is what I think you're overlooking. Ritual also would have prevented DM Turner from taking ketamine before taking a bath which is a very really bad idea; he was really blatantly ignoring the risk factors for whatever reason.

This reminds me of a psychologist, Mexican I think, who in the 70s IIRC was using datura and other such things in his work helping patients. He's a bit obscure and I haven't found much info (I will hunt down my notes if people insist). So my opinion is that dissociatives have their use, but you really need to know what you are doing which most people do not. Personally, I think salvia is very useful... but I am sort of autistic and there is an Internet theory I came across that only the autistically inclined really take to salvia; neurotypicals can't handle the weirdness at some deep level. I have no proof of this but from what I've read and personally know, of course...

As an aside, I met Ann and Sasha a number of times 20 odd years ago. So I personally find it a bit irksome you're using such a handle. You've agreed to change it which I commend you for... For the newbies who know the name, but not that he's dead, it would be confusing. But you are relaying correct and valuable information, so that is good - except for the wide ranging generalizations ... ;)

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> Our European visitors are important to us. > This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws. I wonder if sites will ever stop lying about this.

“Important to us, but not profitable to serve.”

No, even profitable, it's just that they can't be bothered to disable their tracking.
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