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Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by mrtksn »

wait_a_minute wrote: post #68
mrtksn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The virus didn't gave us an ETA of its demise. It will probably stay longer than ideal since not every country in the Europe has high vaccination rates as Portugal. It's seriously puzzling to see he immense belief in the governments power. How on earth one can demand a specific day for removal of management tools against the natural processes?

Dr Fauci and other public administrators and workers have told us multiple times since last year that herd immunity would be achieved if 60% to 70% of people were vaccinated. Since we know that antibodies from past infection are as good or better than two shots of Pfizer [0], and since we also know that most people in the USA have antibodies from one source or another by now [1]...we do in the United States have a ba…

You understand that we are not entering into a contract with your public officials in exchange of ending the pandemic, right?

It's absurd to claim that some public officials failed on their contractual obligations by not ending the pandemic despite the public delivering on their antibody obligations. It doesn't work like that.

What happens is, people start getting sick and die. Public officials in charge of stopping this prepare an action plan based on the information available to them. They need to balance their plan according to the resources available and scientific advice available. Unfortunately, the resources are finite and the scientific advice can be patchy and change over time as the scientists study the new microbe.

That's why you have public officials saying that the pandemic will end at %60 but it turns out you need even more immunity. They say that X work but it turns out X is not as effective as Y or it might be even harmful.

I'm shocked that you see the public officials and scientists almighty infallible beings. Wow, is that some kind of religion?

If they failed at something, it could be due incompetence or expectations being beyond what humanly is possible or maybe they screwed up at communicating it or maybe they even lied on what's possible but there's no logical construct where public officials choose to continue the spread of the virus despite the public achieving immunity beyond the promised levels.

The premise of all this is simply appalling.

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by chitowneats »

mrtksn wrote: post #47
chitowneats wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love these medieval analogies. They really put things in perspective, morally. Just in the opposite of the way they are intended.

What's the perspective? Is it something like it's too barbaric to be susceptible to viruses in the 21st century? What is the moral angle here?

That covid restrictionists are suffering from an anachronistic, authoritarian fever dream. Unfortunately, it seems that it is contagious and there is no known cure.

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by [deleted] »

mrtksn wrote: post #71
wait_a_minute wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dr Fauci and other public administrators and workers have told us multiple times since last year that herd immunity would be achieved if 60% to 70% of people were vaccinated. Since we know that antibodies from past infection are as good or better than two shots of Pfizer [0], and since we also know that most people in the USA have antibodies from one source or another by now [1]...we do in the United States have a ba…

You understand that we are not entering into a contract with your public officials in exchange of ending the pandemic, right? It's absurd to claim that some public officials failed on their contractual obligations by not ending the pandemic despite the public delivering on their antibody obligations. It doesn't work like that. What happens is, people start getting sick and die. Public officials in charge of stopping…

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Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by over_the_raibow »

mrtksn wrote: post #71
wait_a_minute wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dr Fauci and other public administrators and workers have told us multiple times since last year that herd immunity would be achieved if 60% to 70% of people were vaccinated. Since we know that antibodies from past infection are as good or better than two shots of Pfizer [0], and since we also know that most people in the USA have antibodies from one source or another by now [1]...we do in the United States have a ba…

You understand that we are not entering into a contract with your public officials in exchange of ending the pandemic, right? It's absurd to claim that some public officials failed on their contractual obligations by not ending the pandemic despite the public delivering on their antibody obligations. It doesn't work like that. What happens is, people start getting sick and die. Public officials in charge of stopping…

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Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by over_the_raibow »

tata71 wrote: post #7
etothepii wrote: post #4

And there are those that want to move our entire fiat money system on to digital ledgers. I'll pass thanks.

They're already on digital ledgers, not sure how you think governments move billions to banks each and every night.

He talks about the plan to create digital blockchain coins by the central banks, official crypto coins. There are aleady talks about this, and most central banks are working on it.

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by chitowneats »

mrtksn wrote: post #55
jokethrowaway wrote: post #53

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It's not about the virus disappearing, it's about governments accepting that people die of diseases and COVID is just another one.

I spoke to the government, they concur. People in fact die from diseases that are not limited to Covid-19. What now?

You all stop attempting to engineer human society around slowing covid spread? We look at the problems confronting us holistically? I could go on but really this is it.

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by mrtksn »

chitowneats wrote: post #76
mrtksn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spoke to the government, they concur. People in fact die from diseases that are not limited to Covid-19. What now?

You all stop attempting to engineer human society around slowing covid spread? We look at the problems confronting us holistically? I could go on but really this is it.

I hereby officially seize my attempts of engineering human society. What are we going to do to spread the virus? Would you suggest vaccine mandates so that we can go back to normal, removing restrictions to travel and human contact?

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #51
ChemSpider wrote: post #9

Technical issues aside, the EU Green pass is a gigantic success. Super easy travel across Europe and all other participating countries.

Are we travelling in the same continent? Travel is a huge PITA in Europe. Tons of different ever changing regulations, not to mention expensive tests from tons of unreliable newly-sprung companies with little reputation. I had to book tests in advance and sometimes on returns. It's a massive pain and tourism was heavily impacted. I wish the government would pay for this stupid bureaucracy instead it's small businesse…

Unless you are a European.

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by mrtksn »

chitowneats wrote: post #72
mrtksn wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the perspective? Is it something like it's too barbaric to be susceptible to viruses in the 21st century? What is the moral angle here?

That covid restrictionists are suffering from an anachronistic, authoritarian fever dream. Unfortunately, it seems that it is contagious and there is no known cure.

Okay, what's the alternative for the medieval measures? Vaccine mandates? Let it run, live with the survivors?

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by licebmi__at__ »

hagbard_c wrote: post #59
ho_schi wrote: post #16

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It is a success for the European Union. Not for the Europeans! I'm vaccinated and prefer to be around vaccinated people. Because of health? Yes. But also because of the mindset of people. But why is it not a success for Europeans? We had super easy travel before Covid - no borders - free settlement, travel and work. You've just carry your ID with you. Regarding the stolen keys? I'm afraid similar things will happen a…

> I'm vaccinated and prefer to be around vaccinated people. Because of health? Yes. But also because of the mindset of people - I'm well-trained and prefer to be around well-trained people - I'm classically educated and prefer to be around classically educated people - I'm an atheist and prefer to be around atheists - I'm Christian and prefer to be around Christians - I'm Hindu and prefer to be around Hindus - I'm Mu…

> Notice the segregated society this attitude creates? Now look in some history books - real ones, not political propaganda pieces - and see how this type of us-versus-them society tends to end up.

Is this supposed to be a real argument? I mean, should we go hug ebola patients because if not, bam facism!

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