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Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by immutology » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 4:01 PM UTC

moneywoes wrote: post #2

Do ARM compatibility issues still exist?

Full version of MS SQL Server doesn't work. The X86-64 Docker image won't start under QEMU emulation and the installer won't install it in the ARM64 insider builds of Windows 10/11 running in Parallels. You can use the ARM64 build of Azure SQL Edge, but it lacks many features that may or may not be important depending on your use.

Here's the GH issue related to the Docker issue if curious: https://github.com/microsoft/mssql-docker/issues/668

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by banana_giraffe » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 4:01 PM UTC

c-fe wrote: post #46

anamexis wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. You can still charge over USB-C. (The 16" cannot charge at full speed over USB-C, because it charges at 140W which is more than USB PD can currently deliver. But it will still charge to full, just slower.) 2. The other side of the cable is USB-C.

If 140MW is more than USB PD can deliver, then how can the other side of the cable be USB-C?

The MagSafe port uses USB PD 3.1 EPR. The USB-C ports on the MacBooks don't actually support EPR, so they're limited to 100W.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by ookblah » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 4:02 PM UTC

reilly3000 wrote: post #39

Much has already been said about this, but this achievement of shipping a MBP that pro users seem to love is a triumph of user feedback over design purity. I suspect that Jony Ives’ departure may have facilitated this. I suspect it will be a breakout success and I aspire to contribute to their sales figures some day. Of all of Apple’s revenue streams I know their pro products are now merely an afterthought, but they…

while i think ive should get a lot of criticism for "form over function", he helped push the barriers of what is possible and in a way pushed the industry forward as well.

i think without steve to temper that it ran over a bit. you want someone to push the boundaries then someone to rein it in a bit vs the other way around.

IMO, this is probably going to be a very special time for the macs as we see the pendulum swinging back and getting all the "function" we missed. i fear tho in a generation or two it will be too "function over form" and we get an apple basically producing bricks again lol. u can already see it with the iphones.

sure... increase the thickness this year, but what prevents you from taking that thought further. compromise a little here or there, whatever. this is where someone with an obsession to say, thinness/lightness, helps. this is to say nothing about the hardware. they are far ahead there.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by seanalltogether » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 4:03 PM UTC

Can anyone recommend a good thunderbolt dock they've been using. Ideally I would like a dock that at least provides for displayport, ethernet, audio, and 1 or 2 usb-a ports. I'm fine with using the magsafe if power through the dock is not available.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by solarkraft » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 4:03 PM UTC

grp000 wrote: post #5

cassianoleal wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. Any time you try to run a non-ARM binary on an ARM CPU without some form of translation or emulation, it will fail. This is also true for any other CPU architecture. If you want to know about specific compatibility issues, I'm happy to try to help as I've been using an M1 Air as my daily driver for many months now.

Did they finally get Docker working on the M1 chips?

It’s somewhat unreliable and file system interaction is slow, but from what I’ve heard that means it’s no different from x86 Docker Desktop.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by bombcar » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 4:03 PM UTC

toisanji wrote: post #22

which is the right one to get, 14 or 16?

If you mostly use your laptop at your desk or docked, get the 16 (unless you literally clamshell it).

If you travel a lot or otherwise are moving around with it, get the 14.

16 was a bit big on airplane tray tables, but this one might be a bit smaller.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by wyldfire » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 4:03 PM UTC

> The "butterfly" mechanism offered reduced key travel and keyboard reliability.

I couldn't quite tell whether this was a subtle joke or not. I didn't know whether the butterfly design was actually intended to improve reliability or not. Regardless, the effect was actually worse reliability.

I decided to get a second opinion from a machine [1] that probably was trained on input from humans. It said that the noun phrases were {reduced key travel} and {keyboard reliability} and did not suggest that {reduced} modified both.

[1] https://explosion.ai/demos/displacy?text=The%20%E2%80%9Cbutt...

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by seumars » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 4:03 PM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #58

reilly3000 wrote: post #39

Much has already been said about this, but this achievement of shipping a MBP that pro users seem to love is a triumph of user feedback over design purity. I suspect that Jony Ives’ departure may have facilitated this. I suspect it will be a breakout success and I aspire to contribute to their sales figures some day. Of all of Apple’s revenue streams I know their pro products are now merely an afterthought, but they…

What's amusing about the "design purity" is this is basically (from an externals point of view) an upgraded PowerBook G4. Good design isn't limited to "make it look as much like a thin sheet of metal as possible".

Which again is weird for someone like Ive considering that "form follows function" is one of those mantras that people like Rams and the Bauhaus folk based their entire work on.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by nicoburns » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 4:04 PM UTC

Does anyone have any insight into how many GPU cores to choose with these machines? I don’t do much in the way of video work; but I’d like to be able to run a couple of 4k external displays as well as the internal display. And ideally have video calls not slow down my entire machine.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by decafninja » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 4:06 PM UTC

stuff4ben wrote: post #64

reilly3000 wrote: post #39

Much has already been said about this, but this achievement of shipping a MBP that pro users seem to love is a triumph of user feedback over design purity. I suspect that Jony Ives’ departure may have facilitated this. I suspect it will be a breakout success and I aspire to contribute to their sales figures some day. Of all of Apple’s revenue streams I know their pro products are now merely an afterthought, but they…

> I suspect that Jony Ives’ departure may have facilitated this. I'm sure that is a very accurate statement. I thoroughly enjoy the improvements to the keyboard and adding back in the new ports. But I wonder what the future of the MacBook will be without the visionary design from Ives? Are we going to see a melding of PC and Macs or will Apple keep design innovation at the forefront?

Haven't we already seen the post-Ives era products? I imagine Apple will continue to be design centric, just without a Jobs-esque demigod-like figure that could dictate his will above and beyond anyone else - i.e. form over function.