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Ivermectin shows that not all science is worth following

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Re: Ivermectin shows that not all science is worth following

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Hopefully the NIH funded ACTIV-6 Trial will provide more definitive evidence on Ivermectin, given that it is a US based study and has 15,000 participants. However, I don't know how the trial stacks up against prior work in terms of dose, and the estimated completion date is DEC 2022. https://www.nih.gov/research-training/medical-research-initi... https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04885530

Suppose the raw results from the trial are that ivermectin is effective. What do you yourself expect to hear in such a circumstance? From the study, from the media, etc?

Re: Ivermectin shows that not all science is worth following

#72
Brazil received strong govt propaganda for ivermectin use. Some people even got liver problems due to Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine overdose [1].

Yet, the country is one of the most affected by the pandemic. It has more than 600k deaths. For comparison, India is around 6x bigger regarding population, and only had 454K deaths.

That's the real-world Ivermectin study. If it worked, you can be sure that Brazil would be in a much better situation.

[1] https://g1.globo.com/fantastico/noticia/2021/03/29/apos-desc... (in Portuguese)

Re: Ivermectin shows that not all science is worth following

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That website is such obvious bunk that I'm close to assuming anyone still linking it is literally a paid shill. They still have a copycat up in hcqmeta.com touting similar claims for hydroxychloroquine. And a dozen other drugs/vitamins. Here's a nice read on the subject: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1422044335076306947.html

There you have it... if one dares to post anything that conflicts with the official narrative, you are a paid shill. Even if that post is literal science like the comment above which is a collection of studies on Ivermectin.

No, I'm (me, singular) close to assuming that people who link to an anonymous, mangled cherry-picking of incongruous study endpoints is a paid shill.

Re: Ivermectin shows that not all science is worth following

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That website is such obvious bunk that I'm close to assuming anyone still linking it is literally a paid shill. They still have a copycat up in hcqmeta.com touting similar claims for hydroxychloroquine. And a dozen other drugs/vitamins. Here's a nice read on the subject: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1422044335076306947.html

Okay cool, pretend the page's only purpose is a collection of links to medical studies. Find anything amiss with any of actual 64 studies? Or are you content to just not move past the web site itself.

A collection of links to studies would be harmless. The site purports to compile data from said studies in a meaningful and complete manner. It very much does not.

There are also issues with some of the studies themselves, but that's a separate issue.

Re: Ivermectin shows that not all science is worth following

#75

Why take the biased article at its word? Luckily we have access to all of these studies and can do the research ourselves (thanks Internet!) https://ivmmeta.com/ The current count of medical studies that show Ivermectin being beneficial for treating or preventing COVID-19 is 64. Out of those 64, 44 of them are peer reviewed. Or we could throw the baby out with the bathwater because this article cherry picked a few of…

How do we know that this article is biased and yours is not? Why should we trust this source and not the one linked above?

Because it links to the individual studies.

Re: Ivermectin shows that not all science is worth following

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post #57

It's probably not a coincidence that the same people saying "Masks don't work and the proof is I can smell my farts when I wear them", "The virus is a hoax", "The vaccines have a tracking chip in them" are the same folks saying "ivermectin prevents and cures covid". I live in the Missouri Ozarks, near Branson, and I am surrounded by them. I've been following the use of ivermectin since around June 2020 and still have…

> 670,000 of their fellow citizens have been killed by it here Are we still just straight repeating govt propaganda to scare the general public? Did Colin Powell's death not make it extremely clear how inflated these totals are? Gen. Powell was 84 with Parkinson's and an incurable blood cell cancer (and fully vaccinated, btw). But sure, Covid "killed" him. Chalk up one more to help justify the lockdowns and eliminati…

Please link to a reputable source explaining how Colin Powell didn’t die of Covid-19 complications. Thanks.

Re: Ivermectin shows that not all science is worth following

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point of the article is that if some government DID spend the money to properly research this, it would take time, as in MANY years. I remember many decades ago that Vitamin E was thought to be a great supplement to reduce coronary heart disease etc. It was then studied by following 10,000 people for 4.5 years [1] and it was determined that the hint of benefit seen in observational studies turned out to b…

> it would take time, as in MANY years So just like the time required to create the COVID vaccines that are "safe" and "effective"? Snark aside, I'm exhausted hearing how hard it is to do some things, but other's are "science" and don't warrant further exploration.

Not to mention the Merck therapeutic that just got emergency use auth that study was done on < 1000 people I think lol

Re: Ivermectin shows that not all science is worth following

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post #57

It's probably not a coincidence that the same people saying "Masks don't work and the proof is I can smell my farts when I wear them", "The virus is a hoax", "The vaccines have a tracking chip in them" are the same folks saying "ivermectin prevents and cures covid". I live in the Missouri Ozarks, near Branson, and I am surrounded by them. I've been following the use of ivermectin since around June 2020 and still have…

> 670,000 of their fellow citizens have been killed by it here Are we still just straight repeating govt propaganda to scare the general public? Did Colin Powell's death not make it extremely clear how inflated these totals are? Gen. Powell was 84 with Parkinson's and an incurable blood cell cancer (and fully vaccinated, btw). But sure, Covid "killed" him. Chalk up one more to help justify the lockdowns and eliminati…

I spent the better part of a year trying to talk to folks here where I live about masks, preventives, vaccines and social distancing. Nothing made a difference.

Gen. Powell's cause of death was covid. He was in several high risk groups.

If he got ran over by a speeding car and died the next day would you insist his cause of death was his age?

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