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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by joshgachnang »

alexmcc81 wrote: post #61
marcellus23 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple’s stated intents to actively incriminate you by scanning your photos on a personal device More accurately put, their intent is to scan cloud photos for exact matches with known child pornography material (like every other cloud provider, including Google), and then have the case reviewed by a human only after multiple positives, and only then forwarding the case to law enforcement (based on photos you chose t…

> exact matches Not exact matches. Hashes. Hashes that were quickly show to have collisions that the company brushed off.

They probably brushed them off because a malicious/accidental hash collision would lead to a human reviewing them and then not going to law enforcement.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by _xy8h »

paulpan wrote: post #38

Tensor SOC seems pretty impressive on paper, will be curious about how it benchmarks and performs in real-life. The Pixel 5 with its "mid-tier" SOC (Snapdragon 765G) was actually pretty good thanks to the software optimizations. Bigger news is Qualcomm being left out. Will they go the way of Intel by incentivizing their customers build their own SOCs?

The bigger problem with Qualcomm is that they're primarily the reason why devices only got a two year span of updates and poor support. Each board built for each phone still had to get the software support starting with Qualcomm before it could be built with new source for updates. Outside that 2 year window, every device OEM had to support the hardware themselves. That's why new phones with older SOCs never got any updates at all. (Read up on Project Mainline as one attempt to mitigate this problem.)

I'm not surprised at all that OEMs are moving towards own/custom SOCs or other sources. Been seeing more Motorola phones with Mediatek socs, Samsung has Exynos, Google now with Tensor.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

marcellus23 wrote: post #26
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

> Apple’s stated intents to actively incriminate you by scanning your photos on a personal device More accurately put, their intent is to scan cloud photos for exact matches with known child pornography material (like every other cloud provider, including Google), and then have the case reviewed by a human only after multiple positives, and only then forwarding the case to law enforcement (based on photos you chose t…

You know that Google Photos scans everything, server-side, since like 2012 right?

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by echelon »

marcellus23 wrote: post #26
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

> Apple’s stated intents to actively incriminate you by scanning your photos on a personal device More accurately put, their intent is to scan cloud photos for exact matches with known child pornography material (like every other cloud provider, including Google), and then have the case reviewed by a human only after multiple positives, and only then forwarding the case to law enforcement (based on photos you chose t…

> known child pornography material

For some definition. Russia's FSB might have a very different idea of what this is. Anti-Putin memes, for instance. Navalny support materials or brochures. You'll have to watch what you download, because your phone might upload it and incriminate you.

Or China's MSS. Winnie the Pooh, Tiananmen Square, Free HK, etc.

Or even the FBI. Financial or political leaks, Wikileaks, etc.

Once they know who you are and why they don't like you, they can incriminate you in other ways. This helps them find and flag you. They don't even need to monitor and decrypt traffic - they can just upload hashes of things they don't like and let Apple's dragnet do all the work.

Don't buy into "CSAM" scare. It's never the intent. The powers that be don't give a damn about children. It's about power.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by nicbou »

I really like my Pixel 5, and I hope that Google maintains the course with future Pixels.

It's a proper appliance phone. It holds the same place in my life as my kettle or my washing machine. It does what I want it to do, and asks nothing of me. I don't know any stats about it, only that it's fast enough, has a long enough battery life, and takes good enough pictures.

I couldn't be happier.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by progbits »

DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

Definitely agreed, longer software support would be nice. On the other hand the repairability is important too, if you can replace battery and fix a broken screen easily the phone is unlikely to be useful after that many years anyway.

I think the previous pixels were reasonably good in that regard (not compared to framework of course).

Improving that would be higher priority in my eyes. Software support can always come later: even once the official support is dropped the community can backport AOSP fixes etc.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by 0des »

_xy8h wrote: post #55
dreamer7 wrote: post #37

One interesting thing to note is how much more high-budget Hollywood style Apple's event feels in comparison to Google's event. Having watched the two events on successive days, some things stand out - Apple throws numbers repeatedly at you through out the presentation and you end up remembering quite a few useless statistics (55.7 billion transitors in M1 Max) Apple makes a much bigger deal about each device with lo…

> The weirdest thing in the Google presentation is that several sections had presenters talking to a different camera than facing the screen. That just felt very strange. B-Camera angles are common in interviews. It's to help create a less formal and less stuffy 'presentation' like feel. It's intended to be more of a "you're standing there, somewhat behind the scenes" feel.

It is also one way to obscure the fact that someone's using a teleprompter because it is more difficult to see that their eyes are moving back and forth.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by _xy8h »

notyourday wrote: post #62

Google fails at even building an ecommerce website for the special launch event. In 2021. For a launch of a major "premium product". Why on earth would one ever believe the rest of the product which is orders of magnitude more complicated would actually function and not suck in 4 months?

You're right! They suck, this is the first time they've ever built a phone and they have no history of working devices to prove themselves!

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by kadoban »

taylorlapeyre wrote: post #47
marcellus23 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple’s stated intents to actively incriminate you by scanning your photos on a personal device More accurately put, their intent is to scan cloud photos for exact matches with known child pornography material (like every other cloud provider, including Google), and then have the case reviewed by a human only after multiple positives, and only then forwarding the case to law enforcement (based on photos you chose t…

Additionally, the while the publicity of that announcement was terrible PR for apple, it was really a request for comment. They got comments from security professionals, and then they acknowledged the problems, retracted the announcement, and are working with those professionals on a system that will be better from a privacy perspective. Try getting that behavior from Google, a company who's existence is dependent on…

Source for that? The most response I saw was a "sorry-not-sorry" and they were just going ahead.
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