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94% of the universe’s galaxies are permanently beyond our reach

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Re: 94% of the universe’s galaxies are permanently beyond our reach

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It's mind blowing to imagine that the observable universe is bigger than 90 billion light years, space-time expanding at multiple times the speed of light. If expansion keeps accelerating, then at some point gravity won't be able to keep the local cluster together and even those galaxies will drift away, then star systems, then planets, then matter itself will be torn apart until atoms and particles and quarks are de…

I saw a video proposing that it might be possible that the universe collapses on itself again and everything is reset. But there are more non reversible things going on than just expansion. I only just found out that all elements radioactively decay and will eventually be gone.

>I only just found out that all elements radioactively decay and will eventually be gone.

Protons might have a half life too. Even hydrogen will be gone.

Re: 94% of the universe’s galaxies are permanently beyond our reach

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It's mind blowing to imagine that the observable universe is bigger than 90 billion light years, space-time expanding at multiple times the speed of light. If expansion keeps accelerating, then at some point gravity won't be able to keep the local cluster together and even those galaxies will drift away, then star systems, then planets, then matter itself will be torn apart until atoms and particles and quarks are de…

> the careful balance of universal constants that allow for matter and stars and life to exist surely would not allow it all to be destroyed forever in the end... Imagine a brute-force creation of x^y universes with varying cosmological constants. Surely some universes with the right ingredients for life also include a deep freeze or a Big Crunch. Or, maybe our universe was created in a lab somewhere and they’re tryi…

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Re: 94% of the universe’s galaxies are permanently beyond our reach

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> the careful balance of universal constants that allow for matter and stars and life to exist surely would not allow it all to be destroyed forever in the end... Imagine a brute-force creation of x^y universes with varying cosmological constants. Surely some universes with the right ingredients for life also include a deep freeze or a Big Crunch. Or, maybe our universe was created in a lab somewhere and they’re tryi…

42 would be the answer, huh. and in which case, were it to be true, we'd have a mighty strange prophetic bible on our hands. on second thought, at least it was entitled to be a poor man's manual for gettin around these parts.

What if our universal parameters don't make us much different than the universes with #41 being the answer and #43 being the answer... and of course the answer is guessed correctly in a satirical sci-fi in those respective universes. Just an infinite chain of universes where the initial variables determine the number/answer mentioned in one of Douglas Adam's books.

Re: 94% of the universe’s galaxies are permanently beyond our reach

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"most of the universe's galaxies are already receding faster than the speed of light" Relativity theory: "It's impossible to go faster than the speed of light" WTF?

Expansion isn't objects in space moving farther apart through space it's the change in the geometry of space itself. A poor analogy might be a continuous zoom of a map map on your phone while something always moves less than a constant speed limit of pixels per second on the screen. It is easy to see this object can move around locations on the map but may not be able to reach most of the map if it is zooming in fast…

Wow yeah, thanks for the explanation. Now I kind of get it (still, relativity theory is hard to comprehend for me).

Re: 94% of the universe’s galaxies are permanently beyond our reach

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* or physics isn't finished yet and methods exist outside these paradigms.

At this point you're basically hoping for literal magic. It's nice to dream, but, well...

Everything is magic until we understand it. If one took a keychain flashlight back a few hundred years they might be burned as a witch. There are still tiny pockets of humans that believe if you take their picture, you are stealing their soul.

Re: 94% of the universe’s galaxies are permanently beyond our reach

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At this point you're basically hoping for literal magic. It's nice to dream, but, well...

Everything is magic until we understand it. If one took a keychain flashlight back a few hundred years they might be burned as a witch. There are still tiny pockets of humans that believe if you take their picture, you are stealing their soul.

I'm not against magic.

Just don't pretend like you're above people who believe in magic despite being no different under the skin.

Re: 94% of the universe’s galaxies are permanently beyond our reach

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If we're in a simulation then there aren't any alien civilizations. No sense wasting computational resources on them. P.S. As far as I know, computational complexity is the only physical quantity that doesn't obey conservation laws. So we're probably not in a simulation. If we were, it would probably be the other way around.

Why wouldn’t aliens work in a simulation model? The universe could be a shared sandbox to cross pollinate models or expose them to similar realities. Hah.

> The universe could be a shared sandbox to cross pollinate models or expose them to similar realities.

If that were true then they wouldn't have built relativity into the model. (I think the speed of light exists to limit us to our sandbox.)

Re: 94% of the universe’s galaxies are permanently beyond our reach

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If this fact makes you uneasy just know that (nearly) 100% of the galaxy's solar systems except the one we're currently in are (likely) unreachable within your lifetime. Though to be fair, I think the original title can't possibly know this, for instance if we live in a simulation, what's to say that some sort of algorithm (assuming we learn to meta-code our own existence) could put us in any galaxy we choose... Or w…

If we're in a simulation then there aren't any alien civilizations. No sense wasting computational resources on them. P.S. As far as I know, computational complexity is the only physical quantity that doesn't obey conservation laws. So we're probably not in a simulation. If we were, it would probably be the other way around.

If we are in a simulation it’s most likely a physics/first-principles driven simulation… probably a “what if physics worked like $X” type of deal. So fidelity is likely the primary design goal and the weird nature of computational complexity in our universe is likely just an emergent property of the physics they setup the simulation with.

Re: 94% of the universe’s galaxies are permanently beyond our reach

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Everything is magic until we understand it. If one took a keychain flashlight back a few hundred years they might be burned as a witch. There are still tiny pockets of humans that believe if you take their picture, you are stealing their soul.

I'm not against magic. Just don't pretend like you're above people who believe in magic despite being no different under the skin.

Spell casters are some of my favorite people. I still to this day look in the man pages for various incantations.
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