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Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by guythedudebro » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:57 AM UTC

frzj wrote: post #59

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #49

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You almost (maybe) had a point. Wait til you find out what happened to the titanic

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by tonyedgecombe » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:05 AM UTC

arthurcolle wrote: post #7

warning26 wrote: post #6

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Completely agree; I'd love to see it in the US, but it's really a shame that Americans are completely incapable of not destroying a vending machine that isn't under 24/7 surveillance...

Vending machines for everything seems pretty unsustainable. Is everything made of paper or something?

The vending machine in my local shop has a stack of paper cups you pull from, I don't see why you couldn't bring your own cup.

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by Tabular-Iceberg » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:26 AM UTC

smegger001 wrote: post #11

warning26 wrote: post #6

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Completely agree; I'd love to see it in the US, but it's really a shame that Americans are completely incapable of not destroying a vending machine that isn't under 24/7 surveillance...

I have never understood that compulsion, why do people here constantly vandalize anything unsupervised. What is the motivation of these people they don't get anything out of it. Why break something when it wont benefit you to do so. Why do people rub feces all over public restrooms, break vending machines or graffiti hate filled messages on others property. why make to world a worse place for everyone including yours…

I worked with a young urban type for a while, and one morning while walking to the office together I expressed my dismay at the sad state of our office block.

He countered that it was actually an improvement over the otherwise dull corporate architecture. That it was dull I could certainly agree with, but not that scribbling illegible nonsense with spray paint on every surface is an improvement.

So I think there actually are a lot of people with a sincerely held belief that they are actually improving their environment when they do these things.

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by op00to » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:44 AM UTC

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #73

smegger001 wrote: post #11

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I have never understood that compulsion, why do people here constantly vandalize anything unsupervised. What is the motivation of these people they don't get anything out of it. Why break something when it wont benefit you to do so. Why do people rub feces all over public restrooms, break vending machines or graffiti hate filled messages on others property. why make to world a worse place for everyone including yours…

I worked with a young urban type for a while, and one morning while walking to the office together I expressed my dismay at the sad state of our office block. He countered that it was actually an improvement over the otherwise dull corporate architecture. That it was dull I could certainly agree with, but not that scribbling illegible nonsense with spray paint on every surface is an improvement. So I think there actu…

What’s an urban type?

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by op00to » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:46 AM UTC

frzj wrote: post #59

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hand held terminals giving you access to humanity whole knowledge, the ability to instantly pinpoint your location on a map and get directions to anywhere, logistic chains so perfectioned you can buy from the other side of the world and get your product in the week, vaccines engineered by direct manipulation of RNA chains, planes which can stay in the air for days using electricity, machines approaching a human level…

Hand held terminals giving you an addiction on par with heroin, the ability to instantly pinpoint your location on a map and get directions to anywhere your gig economy job makes you go, logistic chains so perfectioned you can't buy graphic cards cheaply because people from the other side of the world who mine bitcoin out bid you, dependence on biochemistry to difficult to grasp for the majority, planes that are to c…

On par with heroin!

I don’t vomit when i forget to charge my phone.

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by op00to » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:48 AM UTC

swiley wrote: post #61

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #49

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Hand held terminals giving you access to humanity whole knowledge, the ability to instantly pinpoint your location on a map and get directions to anywhere, logistic chains so perfectioned you can buy from the other side of the world and get your product in the week, vaccines engineered by direct manipulation of RNA chains, planes which can stay in the air for days using electricity, machines approaching a human level…

Those logistic chains are struggling.

Are they? I think our supply chains are showing how resilient we are. In the middle of a pandemic, I have safe food to eat. I have heat and lights. I have medicine. Everything else is just icing on the cake.

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by op00to » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:50 AM UTC

greentissue wrote: post #24

lotophage wrote: post #21

These days it's next to impossible to find a vendor of beef tea essence.

wouldn't that just be beef soup? Tea basically takes something and soaks it in hot water for a long time. If you are using meat products i assume it automatically become soup (since thats basically what soup is)

More like a stock. Soup implies more complexity than a base of stock.

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by Tabular-Iceberg » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:58 AM UTC

bloqs wrote: post #18

smegger001 wrote: post #11

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I have never understood that compulsion, why do people here constantly vandalize anything unsupervised. What is the motivation of these people they don't get anything out of it. Why break something when it wont benefit you to do so. Why do people rub feces all over public restrooms, break vending machines or graffiti hate filled messages on others property. why make to world a worse place for everyone including yours…

If you are looking for a serious answer, vandalism is generally explained as a response to a social hierachy. When you feel you are at the bottom of the pile in relation to others around you, it has a variety of psychological effects. One of the most notable is that it increases your impulsivity and irrationality, and also causes you to feel "judged" by other people simply being near you, even inanimate objects feel…

It’s the mixture of resentment from material disadvantage and sense of entitlement from cultural dominance.

It’s a side effect of how the Bohemian and associated cultural movements have dominated the west for the last century or so. They claim to still be the counter culture, but really they are the cultural elite and have been for a long time.

Of course it gets lost on people that you need to actually be a great artist and not just a deadbeat with a spray can. You feel you know better than everyone else what good urban aesthetics are supposed to look like, but you lack the means to create anything other than nonsensical scribbles on the walls.

That’s also why we see it in the west and not so much in Japan as another user pointed out.

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by Tabular-Iceberg » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 10:04 AM UTC

op00to wrote: post #74

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked with a young urban type for a while, and one morning while walking to the office together I expressed my dismay at the sad state of our office block. He countered that it was actually an improvement over the otherwise dull corporate architecture. That it was dull I could certainly agree with, but not that scribbling illegible nonsense with spray paint on every surface is an improvement. So I think there actu…

What’s an urban type?

Someone who lives in the city. It comes from the Latin word for city “urbs”.

I on the other hand would be considered a rural type.

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by quotemstr » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 10:09 AM UTC

rland wrote: post #60

quotemstr wrote: post #33

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> legal penalties are not a reason Don't be ridiculous. If we throw enough vandals in prison for long enough, then yes, vandalism will drop. It's not fashionable to say it, but it's true: the way to get criminals out of society is to get criminals out of society.

We basically did that for several decades, and we now have more people in prison than the rest of the world combined , as well as a much larger population of second class citizens (try to get a job with a criminal record!). Many of them did not commit any crime at all. And all of the second-order effects that come from this carceral worldview: missing parents, broken families, generational poverty, and for those dire…

> We basically did that for several decades, and we now have more people in prison than the rest of the world combined,

And? Is your solution to legalize crime? That hasn't worked well in the big west coast cities, has it?

> The question is, how do we deal with that?

By arresting people who vandalize vending machines. As long as vending machines continue to be vandalized, we haven't arrested enough people for that crime.