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Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients

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Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients

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That's charitable. He was mocked (unjustly, as all presidents are), but criticized (justly) for taking simple observations (UV kills the virus, disinfectant kills the virus) and extrapolating medically in a way that the president should not do in a public statement, and that's even regardless of the sloppiness of his descriptions.

Not a Trump fan, but having previously heard of deep tissue UV treatments, I thought they were completely reasonable questions. It is interesting that so many people are divided on the president asking medical questions in the public setting.

When the president qualifies for the 25th amendment, it's reasonable to question whether his ideas and policies will negligently kill people.

Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients

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"And then I see the disinfectant" is a very strange construction to refer to the effect of light, but you are entitled to "your truth" it seems, at least according to the current doublethink norms the GOP follows.

Not a republican, but I find the insult ironic because "your truth" is something that radical liberals use to justify their own doublethink.

> Not a republican, but I find the insult ironic because "your truth" is something that radical liberals use to justify their own doublethink.

"I'm not a republican" ... "radical liberals justifying your doublethink..."

hmmmmmm

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

yes, extremely definitely not a republican, we can definitely tell because you said so right at the start, and it's not like people would just go on the internet and pretend to be moderates, knowing that "moderation" is a trait that many people inherently assume to be credible and balanced.

if you're gonna try to pull the "well ackshually I'm a moderate" you gotta try and sell it a little better, don't immediately leap right to the fox news political slurs in literally the same sentence as you try to frame yourself as a moderate. Kinda gives away the game a bit.

Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients

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Bunch of articles on CNN... https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/21/us/mississippi-poison-con... for instance.

I'm aware of this article. She says "they're taking something called Ivermectin, which is an anti-parasite drug for horses", which isn't the whole story, but is also a reasonable sentence, since they were in fact taking a horse medicine called ivermectin and the same article explicitly states that there are human formulations and you can take those if your doctor prescribes them. So, I think it's unfair to use this a…

https://twitter.com/us_fda/status/1429050070243192839 how about the FDA?

https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1448637553129648129?ref...

Fauci/Acosta on CNN

Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients

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post #72

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Not a republican, but I find the insult ironic because "your truth" is something that radical liberals use to justify their own doublethink.

> Not a republican, but I find the insult ironic because "your truth" is something that radical liberals use to justify their own doublethink. "I'm not a republican" ... "radical liberals justifying your doublethink..." hmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yes, extremely definitely not a republican, we can definitely tell because you said so right at the start, and it's not like people would just go on the internet and pretend…

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Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients

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Here is some fuel for your flamewar: this is the exact treatment Trump was riffing off of when the media collectively lost its mind and claimed that he told people to drink bleach.

It's really frustrating to see actual medical progress be pushed back in the public eye because some people have such intense dislike for someone. "Some guy we hate said this might work - quick, write a thousand articles about how he's not smart for recommending it and bring on doctors who have no relevant experience/knowledge/credentials to 'prove them wrong'!" This UV-A treatment looks very promising for people who…

The "does hydroxychloroquine work, does ivermectin work" are all valid questions. The problem is people making big conclusions on tiny studies that didn't stand up to larger statistical trials - just as we're seeing here - and also the fact that people refused to drop it once the evidence contradicted their positions.

I find the "horse paste" and "aquarium cleaner" memes to be very irritating though, they are FDA approved drugs. Yes, it hasn't gone through the human-medicine supply chain, but veterinary medicine needs to be just as pure as human medicine. Also, "aquarium cleaner" and other products are often sold wink-nudge with the tacit understanding that there are a lot of people who don't have health insurance (or have health insurance that's terrible) and can't get access to actual drugs and this is the only way for them to get access to life-saving medications. There are people who literally need to take "aquarium cleaner" to live, because they have lupus and that's what they can get. Same for "fish mox" which is routinely taken by people who can't afford to go to a doctor and get actual amoxicillin. In both cases, it needs to be very pure, if there were contaminants it would instantly kill exotic fish, just like veterinary medicine needs to be pure, contaminants will kill your dog or horse the same as a human.

Like it or not that's a grey-market supply chain that has existed for a while and nobody wants to actually address the problem of making sure that people have universal access to medical care (not just insurance, that's not sufficient as you can see right now). So people take aquarium cleaner to stay alive. Welcome to America.

The problem there is people self-administering huge doses that are far out of clinical standards. And that's something I'm perfectly fine mocking - if you are gonna self-prescribe for something the drug is not approved for, and you take a massive dose that makes you uncontrollably shit yourself, yeah that one's on you buddy. And that would happen even if they sourced human drugs from a pharmacy.

The problem as far as messaging is that the above stuff doesn't sink in with the general public. They won't listen to "the evidence says HCQ and ivermectin don't work", Republicans say it does, and they will trust Trump over doctors. But there's a chance they will listen if they get constantly mocked for taking horse paste. As far as messaging, it's probably the correct strategy even if we here all know it's not intellectually honest.

And yeah the FDA has gotten themselves in trouble with mixed messaging in the past, like saying the evidence showed that masks didn't work, in order to manipulate the public into not buying them to preserve the supply for health care providers (lmao at the idea of that ever working, and lmao that they thought they could pull it off without destroying their credibility). In this case mocking people for taking horse paste isn't really wrong though, it's a flat-out bad idea and if this is the approach that wakes them up, oh well.

Intellectually irritating but I get it. I'm not the target audience here.

Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients

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"Boosters for all Americans" -Sitting President "Boosters only for people at high risk and/or over 65" -FDA a couple days later

This is interesting, and not in a good way. I'm not sure FDA as we know it can survive a two-track regime, where some medicine is fast tracked and/or cleared of legal liability. Sooner or later most new medicine will end up on the fast track, it's in the logic of large bureaucratic bodies. https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/top-fda-regulators-b...

Vaccines have had special liability protection since 1986. That's nothing new.

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/about/index.html

Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients

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Not a republican, but I find the insult ironic because "your truth" is something that radical liberals use to justify their own doublethink.

> Not a republican, but I find the insult ironic because "your truth" is something that radical liberals use to justify their own doublethink. "I'm not a republican" ... "radical liberals justifying your doublethink..." hmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yes, extremely definitely not a republican, we can definitely tell because you said so right at the start, and it's not like people would just go on the internet and pretend…

I find it surprising that Fox News political slurs are showing up even here.

Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients

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Not a Trump fan, but having previously heard of deep tissue UV treatments, I thought they were completely reasonable questions. It is interesting that so many people are divided on the president asking medical questions in the public setting.

When the president qualifies for the 25th amendment, it's reasonable to question whether his ideas and policies will negligently kill people.

Question, sure. But not Ignore common sense, assume irresponsible behavior, and assume public harm.

Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients

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Not a Trump fan, but having previously heard of deep tissue UV treatments, I thought they were completely reasonable questions. It is interesting that so many people are divided on the president asking medical questions in the public setting.

When the president qualifies for the 25th amendment, it's reasonable to question whether his ideas and policies will negligently kill people.

If he were unfit for office, he would have been removed. He wasn’t. I’m no Trump fan nor voter, but it’s pointless to keep posting opinions like this pretending they are facts.

It’s the continued little lies like this that helped add up to 74M votes (12M more than 2016). So if you really want to see him in office again, keep it up.

Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients

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post #73

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I'm aware of this article. She says "they're taking something called Ivermectin, which is an anti-parasite drug for horses", which isn't the whole story, but is also a reasonable sentence, since they were in fact taking a horse medicine called ivermectin and the same article explicitly states that there are human formulations and you can take those if your doctor prescribes them. So, I think it's unfair to use this a…

https://twitter.com/us_fda/status/1429050070243192839 how about the FDA? https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1448637553129648129?ref... Fauci/Acosta on CNN

Joe Rogan just clubbed Sanjay Gupta over the head about CNN and their lying about ivermectin. Pretty brutal. Had Gupta denouncing his own network about it.
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