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I googled what egress meant. > when that data is retrieved from the cloud, providers will then charge large fees; this is what’s known as a data egress. There are many cloud providers seem to be not charging for egress.
No, most cloud providers do not charge for ingress, but charge heavily for egress.
Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
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#72Just co-locate your stuff, please.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I googled what egress meant. > when that data is retrieved from the cloud, providers will then charge large fees; this is what’s known as a data egress. There are many cloud providers seem to be not charging for egress.
No, most cloud providers do not charge for ingress, but charge heavily for egress.
The full excerpt [0]
> Most leading cloud providers allow their customers to input data into the cloud for free. However, when that data is retrieved from the cloud, these providers will then charge large fees; this is what’s known as a data egress.
Here is what I found out about ingress [1]
> Egress in the world of networking implies traffic that exits an entity or a network boundary, while Ingress is traffic that enters the boundary of a network.
[0] https://wasabi.com/help/glossary-of-terms/egress-charges-def...
[1] https://aviatrix.com/learn-center/cloud-security/egress-and-...
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#75Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…
With Cloudflare you'd have to pay for the CDN separately for any real traffic amount.
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#76I think AWS backed themselves into a corner with their extremely high egress charges. I would wager that a pretty considerable amount of their revenue is from egress, so if they have to reduce egress pricing, it will take a pretty big chunk of their revenue. Of course, I could be completely wrong. I would certainly welcome a correction.
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#77Seems like a person could create an unbelieving cheap podcast hosting business (Simplecast, Transistor.fm, etc) on the back of R2. For those unaware, the primary infrastructure cost of these businesses is serving up mp3. Much like what YouTube does for video.
Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
#78I think AWS backed themselves into a corner with their extremely high egress charges. I would wager that a pretty considerable amount of their revenue is from egress, so if they have to reduce egress pricing, it will take a pretty big chunk of their revenue. Of course, I could be completely wrong. I would certainly welcome a correction.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, most cloud providers do not charge for ingress, but charge heavily for egress.
I didn't mention or didn't know what ingress is. The full excerpt [0] > Most leading cloud providers allow their customers to input data into the cloud for free. However, when that data is retrieved from the cloud, these providers will then charge large fees; this is what’s known as a data egress. Here is what I found out about ingress [1] > Egress in the world of networking implies traffic that exits an entity or a…
Here's the rule of thumb: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28775836
> inbound traffic (ingress) is free, almost universally.
> outbound traffic (egress) is $insane, almost universally.
so think of it like, teleport yourself to S3's servers. Any data that comes in, you charge $0. Any data that goes out, you charge $massive.
This seems to be true for almost every provider I've found. Hetzner is one of the rare exceptions. If you need a server, get a Hetzner dedicated box, because it's unlimited traffic (both ingress and egress). It powers https://battle.shawwn.com/ (big dump of files).
I'd love to store things in S3 or GCE, but it's a non-starter, because transferring between GCE to Hetzner would cost $0.12/GB downloaded. 12 cents per GB! It doesn't sound like a lot till you do the math on 22TB.
Hence, R2 is incredibly appealing. I'd love $0.015 per GB storage cost + free egress, because it means I can download as much as I want to my hetzner server. Meaning, I don't need to worry about my hetzner drives failing.
Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
#80IMO, the best feature Cloudflare added to R2 was the automatic migration. This makes sense for a CDN to offer, but if R2 works, this makes it pretty simple to migrate. "After specifying an existing storage bucket, R2 will serve requests for objects from the existing bucket," I've Beene evaluating R2, but this migration path makes it dead simple to use. I just point my code to read/write from/to R2 instead of S3, and…
> I just point my code to read/write from/to R2 instead of S3 This is probably worse for CloudFront than for S3 itself. Double paying for storage is still going to be cheaper than egress fees overall.