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Post by throwaway894345 »

microtonal wrote: post #54
killion wrote: post #23

I think that Apple suffers from not having that person at the top with taste who was willing to say “this is shit”. The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. There were misses under Steve like the Cube where there wasn’t a market. But the product was great. Now there is a market but the product is middling like the Watch. Yes the watch was started when he w…

The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. Mostly on the Mac. The butterfly keyboard and how Apple handled it, were terrible. And macOS quality had gone down release after release. But I have never had any serious software or hardware quality issues with the iPhone, Apple Watch, AirPods or any other products. It seems that they had just lost focus on the Mac…

I generally agree, although there are all kinds of issues on iPhone as well. The one that bothers me most often is autocorrect sporadically changing correct English words to nonsense, or the complete inability to select certain bits of text properly (even in Apple apps).

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Post by gumby »

dkarp wrote: post #52
killion wrote: post #23

I think that Apple suffers from not having that person at the top with taste who was willing to say “this is shit”. The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. There were misses under Steve like the Cube where there wasn’t a market. But the product was great. Now there is a market but the product is middling like the Watch. Yes the watch was started when he w…

I didn't know about the Cube[1], so thanks for sharing. Only sold for 1 year and then discontinued. Laptops are now dominant and have outsold desktops for a long time, but in year 2000 that wasn't the case. So the Cube seems like a false start down that path. Kind of like Jobs knew the future, but was a little too ahead of his time on that one. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Mac_G4_Cube

Oh, then you missed the time they staged an entire press event to announce...an iPod dock!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Hi-Fi

Hell, I own an Apple battery charger for AA batteries. Actually at the time it came out it was reasonably priced, plus it uses the same AC power connectors as apple computer chargers so was actually handy when traveling. But nevertheless, absurd.

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Post by WalterBright »

animanoir wrote: post #5

Mixed feelings about him honestly. I still can't forget how he betrayed Wozniak.

I wonder how many of us would fare if subject to the same kind of scrutiny Jobs is.

As for the Wozniak thing, Wozniak forgave him. As he was the one wronged, we should let it go, too. Heck, if I didn't forgive my friends now and then, I wouldn't have any.

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Post by gumby »

FormerBandmate wrote: post #31
killion wrote: post #23

I think that Apple suffers from not having that person at the top with taste who was willing to say “this is shit”. The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. There were misses under Steve like the Cube where there wasn’t a market. But the product was great. Now there is a market but the product is middling like the Watch. Yes the watch was started when he w…

Apple has moved from being an incredibly innovative company under Steve Jobs to a much more corporate, mature company that relies more on incremental growth. They don’t really have any incentive to change because of their success, and this fundamental pattern happens to every company (see GE’s history after Edison). Apple simply isn’t the company it was before, and that’s a natural part of capitalism. Other Apples ar…

Yeah, too bad they don't develop new ideas like the watch or AirPods or design their own CPUs from scratch.

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Post by skeeter2020 »

taytus wrote: post #42
basisword wrote: post #30

This thread reminds me of the last Steve Jobs related thread. So many people bashing Jobs based on stories they’ve read having never met him and knowing little about him. People seem to think they even know his private medical history based on only public reports. So much judgement and criticism and it feels completely unnecessary. It’s the kind of pointless outrage type comments we tend not to find very often on HN,…

Sometimes people (me included) can't separate the person from their creations/actions. I'm not saying they always should, but is just an observation. I think is fair to say that Jobs changed several industries and that has a lot of value to me, but there are plenty of documented situations when I was left thinking he was not a good person. I don't need to know him to learn from all those documented facts.

Well in the context of this post they're lionizing the individual as a stellar human, so I think it's fair to question you agree with this, or if it's even accurate.

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Post by downandout »

GDC7 wrote: post #33
jedberg wrote: post #9

I think Apple would be an even more interesting company if he were still around. Maybe not as big or as profitable, but certainly more interesting. I wish he hadn't been so strongheaded about herbal remedies and whatnot. He had the more curable kind of cancer, had he taken it seriously earlier. As someone who has lost family to pancreatic cancer, it really upset me to learn that he didn't use his vast resources to do…

> I think Apple would be an even more interesting company if he were still around There is no way Jobs would have been at the helm of Apple, even if he was still alive. He'd have been canceled, matter of fact he'd have been one of the first people to get canceled given that he'd be occupying a spot wanted by basically everybody, plus he had made so many enemies....and finally let's not dabble around it: guy had so ma…

You are correct that Steve, like most high profile CEOs, would have been vulnerable to the cancel police. I think this is one reason that many high net worth Bitcoiners choose to stay under-the-radar: not being vulnerable to the whims of the social media masses seems like the ultimate luxury. Bill Murray, the actor, had a prescient quote about this in an interview that occurred before metoo and the rest of the culture wars heated up:

”I always want to say to people who want to be rich and famous: 'Try being rich first.' See if that doesn't cover most of it. There's not much downside to being rich, other than paying taxes and having your relatives ask you for money. But when you become famous, you end up with a 24-hour job."

I think people today want more money and less fame, having watched many of the people they looked up to be publicly destroyed by the masses. Everyone makes mistakes, but famous people pay outsized prices for them.

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Post by duped »

microtonal wrote: post #54
killion wrote: post #23

I think that Apple suffers from not having that person at the top with taste who was willing to say “this is shit”. The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. There were misses under Steve like the Cube where there wasn’t a market. But the product was great. Now there is a market but the product is middling like the Watch. Yes the watch was started when he w…

The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. Mostly on the Mac. The butterfly keyboard and how Apple handled it, were terrible. And macOS quality had gone down release after release. But I have never had any serious software or hardware quality issues with the iPhone, Apple Watch, AirPods or any other products. It seems that they had just lost focus on the Mac…

Apple Maps directions now mispronounces the word "South" (who knew it had three syllables?). This word is so common in street names I'm shocked it made it out of testing.

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Post by mod »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #71
microtonal wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. Mostly on the Mac. The butterfly keyboard and how Apple handled it, were terrible. And macOS quality had gone down release after release. But I have never had any serious software or hardware quality issues with the iPhone, Apple Watch, AirPods or any other products. It seems that they had just lost focus on the Mac…

I generally agree, although there are all kinds of issues on iPhone as well. The one that bothers me most often is autocorrect sporadically changing correct English words to nonsense, or the complete inability to select certain bits of text properly (even in Apple apps).

I'm so mad at all the phone keyboards for not having some kind of priority for predictive. And ability to remove words.

There's some typos I get consistently and the correction is from a very normal word (probably, for instance) to a really seldom used word (poetically, in this example) and I'd prefer to remove poetically from my dictionary than to keep having it pop up.

Repeat this for a couple dozen very common words that consistently give me problems.

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Post by naravara »

amelius wrote: post #51
systemvoltage wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is apparently not cool these days. I think we’ve lost our spirit of what made SV great. Now it’s just identity politics, pessimism and general stagnancy as Peter Thiel puts it. I honestly kind of want to go back to 2005 - what a time to be alive.

> I think we’ve lost our spirit of what made SV great. Innovation is what made SV great. Now it is just evolutionary updates at a very slow pace.

Don't forget "tech companies" that are basically just thinly veiled excuses to engage in regulatory arbitrage and skirt employment laws.

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Post by animanoir »

basisword wrote: post #30

This thread reminds me of the last Steve Jobs related thread. So many people bashing Jobs based on stories they’ve read having never met him and knowing little about him. People seem to think they even know his private medical history based on only public reports. So much judgement and criticism and it feels completely unnecessary. It’s the kind of pointless outrage type comments we tend not to find very often on HN,…

This "contributions" you're talking about someone elsewhere would have done it, and we can just imagine how better the world would be if those contributions would be for the benefit of the world and not for a company.
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