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Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by soneil » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 11:30 PM UTC

whydid wrote: post #69

rsync wrote: post #58

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"We get asked regularly about running x86 VMs on M1 Macs." Sort of like Ford gets asked regularly about driving their cars on interstate highways ? This is not a fringe feature or some weird corner-case ... this is the reason people buy your product .

Right? Their response comes off a bit arrogant.

Probably a lot less arrogant than it sounds. They probably share a whole lot of tooling between platforms. Emulation just isn’t in their skill set anywhere.

Desktop is a niche for VMware, and Mac a niche within that. It seems pretty straightforward that perhaps this product doesn’t pay for a whole new engineering skill set.

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by bawana » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 1:30 AM UTC

ecommerceguy wrote: post #47

shawnz wrote: post #16

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Windows is available for ARM, and it supports emulation of x86 apps just like Rosetta. I am using it right now on Parallels and it works fine for me. I suspect they just don't want to publicly commit to Windows compatibility due to licensing issues.

This, I'm running Win Preview Arm64 + ArcGIS on an M1 Air through Parallels, no issues so far.

yes, but will it run CRYsis?

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 5:48 AM UTC

ecf wrote: post #22

protomyth wrote: post #4

We don’t plan to support installing or running x86 VMs on Macs with Apple silicon. What about x86 emulation? We get asked regularly about running x86 VMs on M1 Macs. It makes total sense… If Apple can emulate x86 with Rosetta 2, surely VMware can do something too, right? Well, the short answer is that there isn’t exactly much business value relative to the engineering effort that is required, at least for the time be…

What do you expect after they fired everyone working on Fusion and outsourced to India? It’s 100% possible to implement this, VMWare is just a second-rate virtualization platform these days. Don’t buy their product. Ever. https://www.theregister.com/2016/01/27/vmware_fusion_and_wor...

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Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 5:51 AM UTC

ecf wrote: post #46

eddieroger wrote: post #28

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That's an unnecessarily xenophobic way of saying what the article does, which is that VMWare has decided to shift their focus to server virtualization at the cost of desktop virtualization. They're a business, and if they're making more money from one product line than the other, it's their choice to abandon the one. Don't buy the product if you don't like that, sure, but there's no reason to disparage outsourcing as…

Xenophobia has nothing to do with it. It’s just a matter of fact they fired/restructured/outsourced, whatever the hell you want to call it, so they could hire cheaper developers to simply maintain the product. VMWare would almost certainly offer this capability if it wouldn’t require the outsourced team 2x, 3x, …, 10x the amount of time it would would have taken the team who originally built the software.

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Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by nottorp » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 9:17 AM UTC

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #64

nottorp wrote: post #17

I wonder if Apple realizes where this is going for developers that don't only do web stuff. No x86 VMs from either virtualization product means I also need a x86 box around. What does that lead to? I'm no longer a Mac Pro customer, just a Mac Mini customer. And I'll be running Linux as the main OS on the x86 box, which I haven't done in ages. Are they trying to push Linux/x86 adoption? :) Edit: at least they were hon…

When they announced the transition they said the number of users installing Bootcamp had plumetted. Presumably it's the same for people running Windows under a VM. My guess is they looked at this and decided it wasn't that important.

Of course it did, since Apple just told them it has no future.