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Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

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Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#71
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What I'll never understand is why carmakers don't take advantage of this situation and address a market that's been literally BEGGING for decades for a new product: A simple, basic car, with the ONLY electronic control being for: - Valve timing - Fuel injection - Oxygen and throttle - Emissions There's a market for budget and privacy oriented customers that all carmakers seem to have ignored for two decades now. Give…

First of all this "simple" car may end up being more expensive. Doing a lot of the things the old mechanical way requires a lot of labor and labor is expensive nowadays. Having to use turning wires and vacuum tubes for instrument clusters, and a bunch of pull wires for controls... Not only would that be expensive it would require skills and equipment long lost today. Oh and the wind shield wipers -- it is possible to power wind shield wipers mechanically but those were some very complex rube goldberg type mechanisms.

Furthermore, this "simple" car will not last very long. People have forgotten that nowadays, but in the old times of "simple" mechanical cars, cars used to break down much more often and require much more skilled maintenance.

Most people would not know how to use it. Do you think people will be able to handle an unassisted wheel? You know, actually use their muscles to turn the wheel when parking? How about unassisted brakes? You get into a dangerous situation, you slam on the brakes and then it turns out that you have to use your muscles to actually apply sufficient force. How about even getting into the car without a radio key fob. I very much doubt the majority of people will even know how to lock or unlock their rear doors without a central lock/unlock key. They will probably just leave their car unlocked.

But most importantly, it wouldn't sell. Cars nowadays sell based on electronic features. You can see that from the commercials. Even fairly advanced features like navigation and parking sensors are considered a must have now.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#72
post #23

"Some 1,300 workers employed at the plant will be temporarily laid off, Opel said, with a separate plant in France picking up some of the production." Perhaps a very convenient chip shortage? Anyhow, why not build a car without electronics, gps, g4, microphones, voice control, tracking and screens. Because that is exactly what I want.

Very few people would want this, certainly not enough to warrant a production line. The cars you want already exist, just buy a classic car from the 60's. None of the stuff you dislike and if done right a nice looking car. Gas is a bit more though.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#73
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like the supply chain managers had much choice in this. For years they would have been fired for keeping too much stock around.

True. Whoever made these choices then. Incompetent management. 100s of workers are losing their jobs because of them.

Well these hundreds of workers wouldn't have had the job if they hadn't operated efficiently for the preceding 20 years.

It's a bet that has probably paid off, even including the current situation.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#74
post #21

What I'll never understand is why carmakers don't take advantage of this situation and address a market that's been literally BEGGING for decades for a new product: A simple, basic car, with the ONLY electronic control being for: - Valve timing - Fuel injection - Oxygen and throttle - Emissions There's a market for budget and privacy oriented customers that all carmakers seem to have ignored for two decades now. Give…

I think that keyless systems came after few incidents of people's key chains being too heavy and accidentally turning the car off when hitting a bump on the highway. Since most cars keys already, from the late 90s, had chips in them, to prevent theft. It was the next step to remove the superfluous metal part.

I love keyless entry. I can approach the car with two hands full of bags and still manage to open a door or trunk without having to free up a hand just so I can rummage through pockets to find the keys.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#75
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the _market_ begging, or a few folks on the internet? The only folks I know that complain about technology in cars are a couple posters on internet forums.

Yeah, I don't like how overcomplicated many products are becoming but even then wouldn't buy a car without at least AC and Bluetooth.

I won't buy a car if it has bluetooth or cellular connectivity, but that is getting harder to find. I want that shit air-gapped. Someday I might have to just rip out the media head and telematics unit after buying it if I can't find one anymore.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#76

Edit: Too many downvotes for my view that this Opel case is yet another symptom of the wrong handling of the panedmic by any governments, leading to inflation and supply chain disruptions. If opinions are downvoted then I do not need to participate.

>It would have been better to lay off people; many have money saved to survive a few months; others could have lend some money (and pay it back when employed again). This would have been "mean" in the short-term, but good for the entire society in the mid- and long-term.

This is completely wrong and trivial to research: https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/research/average-savings-acc...

Most Americans couldn't handle a $400 emergency. 56% have $5000 or less in savings.

These people have no one to borrow money from. This is one of the most insidious forms of privilege: It's much easier to "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" when you have a rich parent or uncle to loan you O(10000) to start a business or to give you food and shelter when you're down, but the VAST majority of people have no such resources.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#77
post #21

What I'll never understand is why carmakers don't take advantage of this situation and address a market that's been literally BEGGING for decades for a new product: A simple, basic car, with the ONLY electronic control being for: - Valve timing - Fuel injection - Oxygen and throttle - Emissions There's a market for budget and privacy oriented customers that all carmakers seem to have ignored for two decades now. Give…

That sounds like the Dacia and Tata approaches, although they sell addon packs as well.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#78

Edit: Too many downvotes for my view that this Opel case is yet another symptom of the wrong handling of the panedmic by any governments, leading to inflation and supply chain disruptions. If opinions are downvoted then I do not need to participate.

Replying to your edit.

I didn’t downvote you for your original response but holy hell the entitlement at

> If opinions are downvoted then I do not need to participate.

If you are incapable of accepting that people may disagree with your opinion, then yes you do not need to participate, but I don’t know how you’re gonna get through life if you pull out of any situation where there is disagreement

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#79
post #50
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't imagine anyone would want the car you described, for market-sized values of "anyone"

Anyone driving a car thats older than 15 years old is already driving the car that OP is describing.

And that car is worth $2000 on the market. No matter how many features they cut manufacturers aren’t going to be able to sell a new car at that price.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#80
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the _market_ begging, or a few folks on the internet? The only folks I know that complain about technology in cars are a couple posters on internet forums.

Sure, lots of internet people who don't want to be tracked (license plate readers notwithstanding). But also plenty of IRL people complaining about how, for example, they miss their $10k pickup with no power anything that worked great for anytime they needed to haul material X from location M to N, but now you need to drop a minimum of $50k for a vehicle you might use once per weekend to haul gravel, insulation, ceme…

That statement makes no sense. The folks complaining can still buy those old pickups if they want. All that has happened is they are now older. No one is forcing them to buy a new truck that they use sporadically.
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