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Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees

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Post by blackandsqueaky » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 3:36 PM UTC

StratusBen wrote: post #16

Really curious to see how this goes. If they live up to the following paragraph, that's pretty game-changing: >> This cheaper price doesn’t come with reduced scalability. Behind the scenes, R2 automatically and intelligently manages the tiering of data to drive both performance at peak load and low-cost for infrequently requested objects. We’ve gotten rid of complex, manual tiering policies in favor of what developer…

Does Vantage offer comparisons for Backblaze B2, OVH etc?

When looking at object storage, tail latency is probably the single most overlooked metric, and the most material differentiator between providers after bandwidth costs. Don't sweat the cent spent on storing an object, worry about the cost of the 6,000,0000 copies of it you'll ship after it's stored.

As for bandwidth, CloudFlare becomes uninteresting the moment your account starts to see any real consumption, even AWS are easier to negotiate with.

Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees

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Post by yawnxyz » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 3:46 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #4

rpadovani wrote: post #2

Nice, and it seems to be quite cheap as well. It's unfortunate, tho, they don't talk about data residency: where are servers located? Where will my data be copied?

What would you like the answer to be? Do you need regional control over data storage like we do with this https://blog.cloudflare.com/supporting-jurisdictional-restri... ?

we just got this big grant that works with healthcare and genomic data for a new type of therapy in Australia, so we have jurisdiction requirements (data needs to stay within Australia, some data needs to stay within New South Wales). We're currently talking with your run of the mill providers, but I'd pretty excited to try this out with Cloudflare instead... esp. when previous similar projects have been hit with some nasty egress costs

Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees

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Post by xfalcox » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 3:47 PM UTC

I have been doing work on ensuring my app is compatible with the many Object Storage services. Would be great to get access to this early and make it compatible too.

Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees

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Post by StratusBen » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 3:47 PM UTC

blackandsqueaky wrote: post #71

StratusBen wrote: post #16

Really curious to see how this goes. If they live up to the following paragraph, that's pretty game-changing: >> This cheaper price doesn’t come with reduced scalability. Behind the scenes, R2 automatically and intelligently manages the tiering of data to drive both performance at peak load and low-cost for infrequently requested objects. We’ve gotten rid of complex, manual tiering policies in favor of what developer…

Does Vantage offer comparisons for Backblaze B2, OVH etc? When looking at object storage, tail latency is probably the single most overlooked metric, and the most material differentiator between providers after bandwidth costs. Don't sweat the cent spent on storing an object, worry about the cost of the 6,000,0000 copies of it you'll ship after it's stored. As for bandwidth, CloudFlare becomes uninteresting the momen…

We are working a more holistic approach to ingesting and providing recommendations from companies like Backblaze, OVH, etc. in addition to many, many more providers for other AWS services. The goal being that we can give customers the tools they need to get visibility on what options exist and take action themselves from there.

Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees

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Post by greg-m » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 3:48 PM UTC

dgllghr wrote: post #20

Does it have read after write consistency? And does it have it across regions?

Yes, we have read after write consistency across regions today. We're considering relaxing that if we need to reduce latency (one of the things to be worked out in beta!).

Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees

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Post by greg-m » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 3:49 PM UTC

BlackMiracle wrote: post #37

Can anyone confirm if R2 must be used with Workers and other Cloudflare services only? Is it possible to use as file storage instead of S3?

Yes. We have an in-Worker API to start, but will also make R2 available outside of Workers as an API endpoint.

Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees

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Post by greg-m » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 3:51 PM UTC

lokl wrote: post #28

Can you use R2 to host a static website as easily as you can with S3?

Sure, you could just setup a Worker in front of a bucket. This is very similar to how the original Workers Sites worked.

Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees

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Post by ec109685 » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 3:52 PM UTC

greg-m wrote: post #70

aclelland wrote: post #7

Really interesting, will R2 support lifecycle rules like S3 does? We write around 90 million files per month to S3, if we could replace that with R2 and have the files automatically expire after 30 days that'd be a pretty amazing price reduction for us.

Hey, I'm the PM for R2. We support per-object TTLs, so this should work!

The full lifecycle support s3 has is really powerful. One use case we have for ugc content is disallowing online serving systems the ability to permanently delete an object. Instead the object is marked as deleted and then automatically cleaned up after 30 days.

Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 3:53 PM UTC

marcus_cemes wrote: post #17

As someone who took up making travel videos as a hobby, this is definitely on my radar. Video files are large, although ~20 cents per video streamed for a small website is manageable (S3, Cloud Storage, Azure...), it's the potential for abuse that could drive my bill up that terrifies me, which is why I decided to stick to Hetzner VMs with their 20TB of free egress.

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Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees

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Post by Wallacy » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 3:55 PM UTC

frankjr wrote: post #25

> Our object storage will be extremely inexpensive for infrequent access and yet capable of and cheaper than major incumbent providers at scale. How frequent is infrequent? In our case it's "never unless other backups fail" and for that S3 Glacier Deep Archive is still cheaper ($0.00099 per GB).

"At launch, R2 will cost $0.015 per gigabyte of data stored on the service, about half as much as AWS charges for customers on its frequent access tier. Infrequent access to R2 will be free, the company said. "

https://www.protocol.com/enterprise/cloudflare-r2-storage-aw...

So.... I still need to test, but if that is true can be a game changer. Of course... $0.00099 is almost free, but if everything is done automagically will be awesome.