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Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by Animats »

rapnie wrote: post #63
Animats wrote: post #44

PeerTube does not have enough bandwidth to work. Try PeerTube. Here's a cat video. Posted 1 week ago, 38 views, duration 10 seconds. https://peertube.tv/w/tsvCimhEaLSTZD16B3gqBQ Even as the only watcher, and with gigabit Internet both ways at my end, it stuttered, then stalled completely. For short videos, you'd be better off putting them on a shared hosting site as .mp4 files. Peer to peer video hosting is just not…

It also depends a lot on the remote instance, which can be someone's personal PC on a low-bandwidth line. It sure helps if there's more people seeding via the webtorrent integration. I guess the latter will be more of a benefit once PeerTube instances get more active users.

It's working better now, with 144 views. Do more views cause more replication?

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by Barrin92 »

I don't understand the economics of this at all. Video distribution is bandwidth heavy. If you're running your own peer tube instance the server costs are surely going to outstrip any revenue you make from it. if users have to carry that load and seed your stuff they'll have to waste their own storage. What is the incentive for anyone to do this? Exacerbated by the fact that the entire thing mostly seems to attract people who get banned from anything else so the content isn't even going to attract advertisers.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by zimpenfish »

legitster wrote: post #57
uuddlrlr wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peertube is interesting tech, and YouTube's de facto monopoly on video hosting is less than ideal. Especially considering that it's owned by the world's largest attention harvesting operation.

> de facto monopoly on video hosting How do people believe this is even remotely true? I have so many options to host videos, least of which is just housing itself on my own damn server! I don't know if the complaint here is that no one else will do it for me for free, or that no one else will just hand me viewers for free.

> > de facto monopoly on video hosting > How do people believe this is even remotely true?

I think if you add "...that people actually visit and watch", it's more accurate. Sure, I can host my own videos or put them on Vimeo or PeerTube - but YouTube is going to get me more eyeballs more quickly (assuming I play the promo games.)

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by Popegaf »

varispeed wrote: post #39

When using such federated platforms, do you leak your IP address to other people viewing the content?

If WebRTC is activated in your browser and webtorrent (https://webtorrent.io/) is being used by the instance, yes. However, you could say the same for Zoom or most video calling platform, if I'm not mistaken.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by rapnie »

Animats wrote: post #71
rapnie wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also depends a lot on the remote instance, which can be someone's personal PC on a low-bandwidth line. It sure helps if there's more people seeding via the webtorrent integration. I guess the latter will be more of a benefit once PeerTube instances get more active users.

It's working better now, with 144 views. Do more views cause more replication?

I believe it is more simultaneous viewers that counts, and they start to upload as well as download while watching (and you can also opt-out of that).

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by ziml77 »

Animats wrote: post #44

PeerTube does not have enough bandwidth to work. Try PeerTube. Here's a cat video. Posted 1 week ago, 38 views, duration 10 seconds. https://peertube.tv/w/tsvCimhEaLSTZD16B3gqBQ Even as the only watcher, and with gigabit Internet both ways at my end, it stuttered, then stalled completely. For short videos, you'd be better off putting them on a shared hosting site as .mp4 files. Peer to peer video hosting is just not…

Same experience here on that video.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by nsonha »

legitster wrote: post #57
uuddlrlr wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peertube is interesting tech, and YouTube's de facto monopoly on video hosting is less than ideal. Especially considering that it's owned by the world's largest attention harvesting operation.

> de facto monopoly on video hosting How do people believe this is even remotely true? I have so many options to host videos, least of which is just housing itself on my own damn server! I don't know if the complaint here is that no one else will do it for me for free, or that no one else will just hand me viewers for free.

They mean if you care about reaching wider audiences, we are aware of the various options to upload videos of those nights when you felt adventurous

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by nsonha »

Razengan wrote: post #58
uuddlrlr wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peertube is interesting tech, and YouTube's de facto monopoly on video hosting is less than ideal. Especially considering that it's owned by the world's largest attention harvesting operation.

> world's largest attention harvesting operation. I don’t think Facebook owns YouTube :)

Facebook is nothing comparing to Google, they have an OS and a browser remember?

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by throwuxiytayq »

Barrin92 wrote: post #72

I don't understand the economics of this at all. Video distribution is bandwidth heavy. If you're running your own peer tube instance the server costs are surely going to outstrip any revenue you make from it. if users have to carry that load and seed your stuff they'll have to waste their own storage. What is the incentive for anyone to do this? Exacerbated by the fact that the entire thing mostly seems to attract p…

And yet, torrents are still a thing.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by cblconfederate »

new_guy wrote: post #64
cblconfederate wrote: post #61

Why don't we just use BitTorrent for videos? Popcorn time works reasonably well and we don't need a social layer, there are already plenty of them. I d like to see everything that i like being seeded with care by its owners

Because people don't care about the actual videos, it's the social aspect drives these sites. You could upload a video of paint drying and get an active comment thread going on some sites.

Maybe. But you can have that even if YouTube was just a frontend for torrents. I care about some of the videos, eg lectures interesting conferences etc,
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