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Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 2:17 PM UTC

sgt wrote: post #48

Factorium wrote: post #23

ICE motorbikes seem like the most obvious type of vehicle to immediately mandate 100% EV, with an aggressive target like 12 months (to clear out existing inventory). The segment and vehicles themselves are small enough that this changeover can be made fairly easily, with immense benefits for noise pollution in cities.

You are clearly not a biker... otherwise you might have understood why EV motorcycles are years, maybe decades into the future. If you refer to e.g Asia where motorcycles are possibly your only transport, then sure; your argument is valid. But this is HN, and in Western countries a motorcycle is basically a hobby. Heck, they are often even more expensive to run than cars. So as to why EV bikes are not even close to b…

It is kind of inevitable in the long run if cars move on to being EVs, where will bikes fill up if there are no more gas stations?

That being said, I’ve only ever seen one EV motorcycle in China once (not just a big electric bike), it had unreal acceleration, I’m not sure it would be safe to ride.

Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by HPsquared » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 2:18 PM UTC

hjnilsson wrote: post #59

runnerup wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, several years ago I took an iPhone 6S Plus on a roadtrip on a motorcycle, Yamaha FZ-600 for about 2500 miles, no issues. But I also had a quiet stock exhaust?

6S did not have the OIS or autofocus features that lead to this problem. There are no moving lens elements in that phone.

6S Plus did have OIS (in any case all cameras have autofocus which involves moving lens elements).

Probably the vibration in that situation didn't match the resonant modes of the camera components. It's probably a fairly rare event where everything lines up just right.

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Post by whartung » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 2:27 PM UTC

RhysU wrote: post #24

bserge wrote: post #17

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The bastards!

The protective earplugs are to combat wind roar and hearing loss over a lifetime. The non-Harley folk wear them too.

Correct. My bike has a stock exhaust and sounds like a sewing machine, but I wear earplugs mostly to protect against the constant wind noise at speed.

Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by whartung » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 2:34 PM UTC

dan-robertson wrote: post #31

Factorium wrote: post #23

ICE motorbikes seem like the most obvious type of vehicle to immediately mandate 100% EV, with an aggressive target like 12 months (to clear out existing inventory). The segment and vehicles themselves are small enough that this changeover can be made fairly easily, with immense benefits for noise pollution in cities.

I suspect that the noise is a big appeal to motorcycle owners.

It's not just motorcycles.

Around here, every cowboy with a V8 Challenger, Charger, Mustang, Camaro, or Pickup truck seems to have stripped off any semblance of "mufflers" because they want to "hear" their powerful V8 motor.

I live near a freeway entrance (and by "near" I mean at least 1/2 mile away), and out here, at night, when the freeways are more clear it's not too uncommon to have the silent darkness shattered by one of these cars opening up the throttle on the on ramp and racing to Vegas. Down the road is an interchange, and I've heard them start near me and just roar down the freeway, across the overpass and down the other freeway.

These cars are everywhere around here. Not to say the motorcycles aren't participants, but down here, the cars prevail.

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Post by gokhan » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 2:39 PM UTC

oskapt wrote: post #47

kingkawn wrote: post #35

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For the bikes being loud enough that everyone knows you’re coming is life and death issue on the road surrounded by huge cars and trucks

This doesn’t deserve to be downvoted. The statement is correct. I have a permanently destroyed right foot and ankle because someone made a left turn from the right lane just outside the Holland Tunnel in NJ back in 2004. The driver “didn’t see me” before making the illegal turn and planting his Mercedes horizontally across my lane as he slowed to enter the gas station driveway. I laid my quiet 800cc bike down and plo…

Sorry for your accident. Just wanted to share my contrary experience.

A motorcycle with loud pipes filtering right passed me fast in a two lane road while I was on the left lane, I was in my car. I am a former enduro rider myself and don't react when I hear a loud one, but the driver in front panicked as he was most probably didn't see him coming from his mirror, did a hard left, came dangerously close to barriers and did a hard right to correct, hit the motorcycle pushing him to the right lane. Motorcycle barely fit the space there and luckily didn't crash, but it was all happened on a very straight road with no one was turning or doing any movement, just straight driving.

After 15 years, I have enough confidence that being muffled or not does not make any difference to safety, people hearing the thunder but not seeing the source is equally lethal to a rider. I'd rather have proper training, constant wearing full body armored motorcycle clothes and a much lighter/cooler riding attitude (not saying you didn't have / do any of this).

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Post by hughrr » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 2:40 PM UTC

bserge wrote: post #12

smoyer wrote: post #8

I live about 5 miles (on the same road) as the local Harley Davidson dealership and would love it if HD riders left the stock pipes on their bikes. While the engines do vibrate, don't dismiss the additional concussive force of an unmuffled exhaust.

I hear them outside and am happy for them, they don't have tinnitus. Yet. I used to like the sound of engines, still do, but I never understood the farty exhaust tbh.

Yeah it’s just being a nuisance for the sake of it.

There was one who lived over the road from me a few years back who would rev his broken exhaust bike at 5am and wake everyone up. About three weeks later his motorcycle mysteriously caught fire in the early evening. There were people smirking out of their windows enjoying the schadenfreude. There’s still a puddle of aluminium melted into the ground where it died.

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Post by garyfirestorm » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 2:43 PM UTC

‘Dampening’ - it’s damping not dampening.

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Post by garyfirestorm » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 2:43 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #13

smoyer wrote: post #8

I live about 5 miles (on the same road) as the local Harley Davidson dealership and would love it if HD riders left the stock pipes on their bikes. While the engines do vibrate, don't dismiss the additional concussive force of an unmuffled exhaust.

Isn't there a legal limit on the amount of dB(A) produced by any vehicle?

Yes. Look up passby noise.

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Post by blamazon » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 2:49 PM UTC

garyfirestorm wrote: post #77

‘Dampening’ - it’s damping not dampening.

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Post by ultrarunner » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 2:56 PM UTC

whartung wrote: post #74

dan-robertson wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that the noise is a big appeal to motorcycle owners.

It's not just motorcycles. Around here, every cowboy with a V8 Challenger, Charger, Mustang, Camaro, or Pickup truck seems to have stripped off any semblance of "mufflers" because they want to "hear" their powerful V8 motor. I live near a freeway entrance (and by "near" I mean at least 1/2 mile away), and out here, at night, when the freeways are more clear it's not too uncommon to have the silent darkness shattered…

This is a good point. I suspect that due to Harley’s older demographic the “loud pipes save lives” crowd will give way to a demographic that isn’t so interested in obnoxious noise levels. That probably won’t follow as much for car drivers where the noise isn’t as neatly segmented.