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Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by reginold »

iamnotwhoiam wrote: post #57
reginold wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you say if you were truly anonymous?

Same things I'd normally say because I know anonymous posts on the internet are a terrible medium for rational discussion on controversial subjects. I've sworn off arguing anything with anyone on the internet. More censorship = less content on social media, which is a good thing for humanity.

Fascinating. So anonymity brings limitations for you over what you would "normally say". Why post here then under a pseudonym?

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by LAC-Tech »

ddingus wrote: post #5
darthrupert wrote: post #2

Lemmy's default instance leans heavily to the contemporary american idea of leftism. This doesn't affect the actual software in any way, only that community is a bit disturbing.

So join them. I do not mean ideologically. Just in conversation. More of us learning to talk with one another better is a really good thing. The American idea of leftism varies widely, and on all axis too. A similar thing can be found in the right. Both have populist factions that have a lot in common. Many identify as indie too. They lack a solid party home. Both have moderate and conservative factions too. Authorit…

> I do not mean ideologically. Just in conversation. More of us learning to talk with one another better is a really good thing.

The vast majority of people do not want to have that conversation (hence the flagged post of the grandparent).

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by hu3 »

seszett wrote: post #70
hu3 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For reference, some context about word filtering: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 And here's the related code: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/3b37ea6c8beeaa57754df... edit: I don't get the instant -2 downvotes for just providing context.

> I don't get the instant -2 downvotes for just providing context. Well I don't remember the exact phrasing but I think your original comment did have a part asking people not to discuss this further. I can see how this would not be well received.

Makes sense. Thank you for pointing it out!

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by guerrilla »

enumjorge wrote: post #42
peakaboo wrote: post #30

People who don't see why platforms like these are critically important has never had an opinion that isn't allowed on the major tech platforms.

By and large what “isn’t allowed” on major tech platforms is racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. You can still find a lot of non-PC, fringe content on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and Reddit. I get that censorship in major tech platforms is problematic, but the sense of martyrdom in comments like yours feels a little overwrought.

Nope.

https://crimethinc.com/2020/08/19/on-facebook-banning-pages-...

And now we've moved on to "misinformation" which has no real definition other than being mitigated by so-called fact checkers who mostly work for American for-profit newspapers.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by radicalriddler »

I would define myself as pretty progressive, but Reddit's been absolutely dog** due to all the anti-capitalist, populist rhetoric. Every post seems to be filled with comments these days of "eat the rich". Like, you'll have a gif of a dude petting a dog, and then in the comments, they'll be like, "Bro, you're financially oppressing this dog and that's why it's forced to be pet by you" (Hyperbole, but I've seen some crazy stuff).

I just wish, we could have a platform that was; not necessarily politically neutral, but where it didn't consume so much of the site.

Unfortunately when I visit Lemmy, I'm fronted with a lemmygrad.ml, and a "leftist" privacy focused one, which seem to be the only populated instances at the moment. So it doesn't inspire much hope.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by asymptosis »

I'm intrigued by this. However -- and this is probably a cultural thing with me being an old-timey unix guy who likes to build things from scratch -- I have a point of confusion.

If you choose Run A Server, it suggests two main options: Ansible or Docker. It specifically warns against "from scratch".

When I'm developing software, I want people to be building it from scratch. If someone likes something I made enough that they want to take it and build a docker or ansible thing out of it ... okay, that's flattering, albeit a little confusing, and it's not my default.

And I probably wouldn't agree to support those third-party ansible/docker things which someone else felt the need to create.

What happened to rolling a versioned tarball that you can chuck in opt or wherever and point nginx at it? Eg, if I knew I could pull in versions of lemmy server through my package manager, I'd be totally trying it out as my side-project this weekend.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by Saptarishi »

jim-jim-jim wrote: post #62
pugets wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modern American leftism, at least on social media, is really weird. You have a lot of these so-called leftists rebelling against the philosophies of Marx and other communist philosophers on very fundamental issues (e.g. gun ownership for the proletariat, or the freedom of speech) all because of the current political climate in America. At the same time, these people will support and protect Big Tech and other capital…

In practice I think mainstream liberals are the gleefully censorious ones, not leftists. In a sibling comment I called these guys losers, but you can't argue that they're not walking the walk by setting up their own platforms. The people in these alt communities have been kicked off Reddit for rightfully pointing out how astroturfed it is by advertisers, police, and military agencies, so I'm not sure if you'd find mu…

>Setting up your community with specific standards is totally fine imo

In some sense I agree, but what happens when these communities begin to overflow with people, and chaos increases? It leads to opinion suppression( no I'm not talking about extreme opinions on any side of the political spectrum , I'm talking about opinions which differ from the status quo ), echo-chamber creation, and worst of all, unnecessary aggressive behaviour and mud slinging.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by esjeon »

unraveller wrote: post #39

The front-end is still buggy and needs a designer's touch. And the real-time aspects wear thin at scale with all the notifications in a mismatch of languages showing up in the main feed. Lemmy is practically unusable without a personal feed filter, it seems that of the new reddit alternatives only retalk_[1] want to get this right. If you do decide to run an instance of lemmy be sure to nuke the absurd word filter -…

> all the notifications in a mismatch of languages showing up in the main feed

I'm not quite expert here, but, IIRC, this language problem is partially inherent to ActivityPub. The sender can attach translations, and the receiver can pick one from the set, but no one knows what's gonna happen if the expectations from both sides don't match.

One might, instead, re-fetch the messages from the sender using HTTP + content negotiation, which will definitely cause different types of headache.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by hanselot »

hu3 wrote: post #65
unraveller wrote: post #39

The front-end is still buggy and needs a designer's touch. And the real-time aspects wear thin at scale with all the notifications in a mismatch of languages showing up in the main feed. Lemmy is practically unusable without a personal feed filter, it seems that of the new reddit alternatives only retalk_[1] want to get this right. If you do decide to run an instance of lemmy be sure to nuke the absurd word filter -…

For reference, some context about word filtering: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 And here's the related code: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/3b37ea6c8beeaa57754df... edit: I don't get the instant -2 downvotes for just providing context.

>https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622

Wow, this was a fantastic thread. It very clearly and logically lays out how to kill software by injecting your ideology into it.

RIP dessalines

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