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Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by easton »

BizarroLand wrote: post #18
hfktktnfkgk wrote: post #8

One bug I've been hitting for a couple of years on Windows 10: If the computer starts with a working Internet connection, but then you lose Internet, Start Menu search just stops working during net downtime. Meaning I type some app name like "calc" in the Start Menu search box and nothing appears! Which is absolutely ridiculous, I can't search for locally installed apps, or Windows settings. Even if I disabled Cortan…

For me, in Windows 10, I can type "calc" into the search menu and it will recommend and open the calendar app instead of the calculator app 2 out of 5 times. I will search for an app that I have installed and instead of opening the app it will open a bing search for the app that I have installed. It's so infuriating that if there were a M$ rep within arm reach I might be tempted to do violence towards them.

From a command prompt (you shouldn't need admin rights), run "REG ADD HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer /v DisableSearchBoxSuggestions /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f", which disables the web search suggestions in the registry. After restarting Windows Explorer (or logging off and back on), you should have search work how you'd expect.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by kaladin-jasnah »

smallerfish wrote: post #54
kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's only one ThinkPad with Ryzen that comes preloaded with Linux last I checked, but I'm hoping more come out soon since I really like ThinkPads. Either way, ThinkPads are worth a look since they play well with Linux, whether they come with Linux preloaded or not. I'm also in the market (to replace my MacBook-esque XPS 13 Developer Edition), so if someone wants to suggest me a (other than ThinkPads) 13-14 inch la…

You've checked out system76's offerings? They're not 4k, but otherwise they seem nice.

Don't like their rebadged Clevo hardware (I know they put a lot more effort than that, and I appreciate it, but the look is not for me). Other than that, IIRC they just came out with a Ryzen laptop and it's too big for my taste.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by ComputerGuru »

dstaley wrote: post #40
clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

You do realize this issue was on Windows 11, an unreleased operating system correct? I'm not saying Windows 10 hasn't had its share of critical issues, but I can't remember the last time Microsoft released widely a show-stopping bug to the LTS branch of Windows (that is, the branch you'd be using for "mission-critical" applications).

You do realize that this isn’t about this one ad bringing down Windows 11 but rather the very architecture that allowed for an ad to integrate itself into the system to such an extent? That is not something you can fix before RTM release, only patch around.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by voidfunc »

walrus01 wrote: post #57
clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

> Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world It's absolutely not. The amount of things that use the Linux kernel for critical network and infrastructure projects, that are mostly hidden to the public... Or that are built on a foundation of something with a clear Linux heritage. Windows is probably the most visible important piece of software with a GUI.

This is such an incredibly pedantic HN answer.

Let's just say they're both insanely important to our continued functioning digital existence. Without working Linux or Windows we are quite fucked.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by marcodiego »

jussij wrote: post #44
meibo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

Is Windows 10 really that good? It's been some time now, but I still remember the first time I upgraded away from Windows 7 and feeling disappointed. Since then my hardware is massively more powerful, but I'm still to be convinced my current Windows 10 setup is better than that older Windows 7 setup.

I know two people who bought similar new but low specced laptops that came from factory with windows 10 about 10 months ago.

Their laptops got visibly progressively slower. Considering what I read here, I asked them if they installed many software. They said they use the laptops for work only and haven't installed anything beyond office and antivirus. I asked them to take a look. After minutes after turning on, windows said it was installing updates... we waited... the battery went kapuft... we plugged the powerbrick, turned it on again and waited... windows said it was installing updates... after a new reboot and 40 minutes total of waiting I just gave up.

Now, this is not how an EXPENSIVE OS should behave. An expensive OS that behaves like this and still has ads is definitely something I'd only use if there was no other choice.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by rovr138 »

marcodiego wrote: post #65
mulmen wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t see how the GUI makes Windows less important. Windows is everywhere .

> Windows is everywhere. Not on the cellphone, smartv, router, supercomputer, webserver or tablet I use. Actually, they all run the same (with some customization) kernel.

That’s a very small, and biased, sample size.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by nonbirithm »

meibo wrote: post #17
whalesalad wrote: post #14

This is the achilles heel of Microsoft. They will cannibalize a successful part of their business in order to subsidize/bootstrap/launch or even straight-up force the adoption of new service. Every Windows release gets progressively worse when it comes to Microsoft's integrated services and how obtrusive they are. The cherry on top is the fact that Windows 10 Pro is $199 and yet you'll still feel like you are flying…

It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

Perhaps there's a version of Moore's Law concerning the amount of innovation left at the OS level, and we're only starting to run out of it just now.

What legitimately useful features can we expect out of the release of iOS five major versions down the line? Will there be any new features that change the status quo, and that we'd be practically unable to live without? The significant features like the app store and multitasking have already been done long ago. As for macOS, it seems that the new security controls and notifications are significantly impacting some people's user experience, but they're still "improvements" from Apple's standpoint.

And yet Apple and Microsoft are still somehow compelled to keep releasing new versions of their operating systems on a fairly regular basis. It's hard to imagine there will be a "final" or even long-term-support version of iOS. But those companies aren't going to market their new OS versions as changing nothing, so something has to change.

I'm honestly very curious to see what will happen ten years from now when the vendors will struggle to meet their own arbitrary standards for innovation with each new OS version when, by nature, there are not many more significant breakthroughs left to be had.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by marcodiego »

pcdoodle wrote: post #69

This also creates trust issues in a lot of applications like Point of Sale, Machine Control Devices, Security and Automation Solutions, Motion Control Solutions, Etc. I miss Balmer a little bit. Developers hate this shit. Have trust that if you support developers, they will advocate your OS.

Actually I think windows became much better for developers after ballmer. VSCode, github, wsl, wsl2... It seems to me that ballmer was much more about windows-only everywhere than developers.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by marcodiego »

rovr138 wrote: post #77
marcodiego wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows is everywhere. Not on the cellphone, smartv, router, supercomputer, webserver or tablet I use. Actually, they all run the same (with some customization) kernel.

That’s a very small, and biased, sample size.

That very same kernel runs on the majority of smartphones, tablets, smart tvs, servers, routers and 100% of the biggest super computers out there. This very same kernel literally flies on Mars. Although my sample size is small it is not biased neither are the referred market segments.
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