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Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by aurizon »

glogla wrote: post #27
aurizon wrote: post #3

This is a byproduct of the arcane US medical system. The rich see a doctor and get drugs and are warned off ivermectin. The poor see doctors with meters attached, insert $$, get advice, follow advice to pharmacy = another meter, insert $$. Even an ambulance can cost $1000. In Rest of world the state pays health, so the first doctor visit kill the ivermectin myth and they get the proper medication at a fraction of the…

We have universal national healthcare here, and people still take ivermectin because (someone on) Facebook told them to. Before that it was Hydroxychloroquine including one major newspaper running articles on how it helps with COVID (which not only it doesn't but it is illegal to run advertisements on pharmaceuticals around here). So I dunno if US medical system has much to do with it. It seems more like someone weap…

Easy, zero cost medicine allows proper medical advice to mitigate these myths

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by willcipriano »

A interesting observation I had recently was that some people who tend to have views around recreational drugs that can be described "live and let live" are up in arms about ivermectin. I know a guy who uses horse tranquilizers recreationally who posts on Facebook everyday about the "morons who are taking horse medicine". Personally I don't care if you use either, it isn't my body.

We are in a age where you no longer must be remotely logically consistent in your arguments and it's fascinating to watch.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by pseudo0 »

This is a bizarre stat:

> By mid-August U.S. pharmacies were filling 88,000 weekly prescriptions for the medication, a 24-fold increase from pre-COVID levels, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Meanwhile, U.S. poison control centers have seen a five-fold increase in emergency calls related to the drug, with some incidents requiring hospitalization.

So despite prescriptions going up x24, and some unknown number of people taking veterinary versions of the drug, emergency calls have only gone up x5? Wouldn't we expect it to be around x24 or greater?

Also, the lack of stats on hospitalization is interesting, in that there aren't any. From another article on the same subject, Mississippi at least has apparently had zero (https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/resources/15400.pdf).

This whole thing just seems like a manufactured story that gets clicks because it plays into prejudices about rural Americans.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by AndrewBissell »

Ansil849 wrote: post #17
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't say vaccine hesitancy hasn't been well earned. It's not like the US doesn't have a history of lying about medical procedures performed on misinformed citizens... Fool me once, shame on you [Tuskegee]. Fool me twice, shame on me [MKULTRA]. Fool me three times...

> Fool me once, shame on you [Tuskegee] I am so tired of seeing Tuskegee trotted out as an argument by anti vaxxers. The Tuskegee experiment specifically targeted a selected group of African Americans and was an overtly racist program. COVID vaccines on the other hand are not targeting a specific sample group, they are being given to virtually everyone. There's no sample group. The two are not remotely comparable.

> The Tuskegee experiment specifically targeted a selected group of African Americans.

Ah, and if they did that (and a thousand other things, many of which were not limited to African Americans, including the aforementioned MKULTRA) and suffered no repercussions for it whatsoever, well, I'm sure they still learned their lesson and would never dream of doing something like it again.

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Post by moistly »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #19
Ansil849 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fool me once, shame on you [Tuskegee] I am so tired of seeing Tuskegee trotted out as an argument by anti vaxxers. The Tuskegee experiment specifically targeted a selected group of African Americans and was an overtly racist program. COVID vaccines on the other hand are not targeting a specific sample group, they are being given to virtually everyone. There's no sample group. The two are not remotely comparable.

It’s not the method, it’s that the government lied about medicine before. No reason they can’t do it again.

So let’s run with that thought: the governments of almost every nation are outright lying about the vaccines. Also, a supermajority of folk have been vaccinated in most of the advanced nations.

Now what? The government lied and… the plan is to have 80% of the population die? How does that benefit those in power? The economy would crash. Production of everything—food, cars, houses—would cease. Healthcare, education, policing, infrastructure maintenance—all would collapse. First-world society would disintegrate.

It makes no sense to believe the powers that be are lying about the vaccine.

Oh, and also: the unvaccinated make the vast majority of hospitalizations. Now the lie is even more crazy: the vaccine is obviously great at keeping people out of the hospital, but also the governments are all lying about the vaccine. It’s just sheer crazypants conspiracy thinking, through and through.

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Post by jhardy54 »

joemazerino wrote: post #65
distances wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ivmmeta is pseudoscientific. It should not be taken seriously by anyone. See a short analysis e.g. at https://mobile.twitter.com/gidmk/status/1422044335076306947 .

Calling an established anti-viral medicine "pseudoscientific" is just team politics.

Ivmmeta is a website, not a medicine.

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Post by fny »

gorwell wrote: post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

But people are buying the more dangerous horse paste variety, which is a funny, juicy headline. There’s even a shortage now.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8160269/people-seeking-horse-dewo...

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by beaner »

watwut wrote: post #63
beaner wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone's saying they shouldn't stop. That's not the point the person you're replying to is making.

That person is claiming issue is not about horse version, but about human version. He implies media spread false information when they talk about the issue.

They are. If they weren't, they'd say "People are overdosing on ivermectin by taking doses intended for Horses." Instead they call the drug itself a "horse dewormer," and make it sound like that's its exclusive use, and that it should not be taken by humans in any dose. That's false.

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Post by rdiddly »

gorwell wrote: post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

The "debate" is hilarious, overblown and infantile, like always, but yeah the facts are pretty simple: Great for worm problems (river blindness being a worm problem). No reason thus far, other than wishful thinking, to believe it's good for anything else.

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Post by seattle_spring »

antattack wrote: post #24

I think it's possible that ivermectin could have positive effect (less hospitalizations) on people with parasites who contracted Covid-19. After-all a lot of people die not from Covid-19 but from complications from it. I think the main issue with it's use is, similar to antibiotic resistance, (note that it's not antibiotic or antiviral) overuse will lessen it's effectiveness when needed the most.

Do you have any evidence that doctors are withholding access to anti-parasitic medication for patients who test positive for parasitic infections?
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