who buys these instead of Lenovos for running Linux on?
Lenovo T14's are going for 65% of the asking price of one of these, if you don't care about intel vs amd.
System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
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Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
#721080p screen is a no-go. come on yall, it's 2021
Isn't 1080p way better for battery life + its mostly indistinguishable in pixels? unless you are like, looking really close at the pixels? remember its 1080p inside a 15" monitor, not a 24" monitor a PC has.
My biggest problem is the aspect ratio, on a laptop 16:9 simply is not enough vertical space. Hopefully Clevo will realize this at some point and make a laptop for System76 with a 16:10 or 3:2 screen.
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#731080p screen is a no-go. come on yall, it's 2021
Well, (it's been a while so this might be really false now) Linux might have not-so-great support for HiDPI screens. Either way, I can't really see the difference between 1080p and 4K, so it wouldn't matter for me .
That might be correct when talking about _video_, but is factually incorrect when talking about _text_.
To understand why, just print an identical piece of text on 600, 300, 150 and 75 dpi on your printer and look at the printouts side by side. There is a significant downgrade in quality between each step, and anything below 300 dpi looks quite bad.
15.6" at 1080p is ~141 ppi[1] which is in the "not good" range. Your OS attempts to salvage the situation by applying font hinting (i.e. distorting your fonts to fit the pixel grid) and antialiasing (subpixel on linux, grayscale on the latest versions of windows & macos) - both of which are imperfect workarounds for the lack of resolution.
The MacBook Pro is ~217 ppi (1800p at 15.6"), which is better but still not perfect.
A 4K 15.6" screen works out at ~282 ppi, which is starting to be good enough to finally turn off font hinting and view fonts as intended by their designer rather than squished by subpar display technology.
Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
#74I have a System76 Serval WS with AMD Ryzen 9 3900 and Nvidia GTX 1660 Ti manufactured last year. The laptop's internal display went wonky late last week but an external display still works fine. It's annoying to reboot -- the GPU drivers aren't loaded yet when the boot disk passphrase prompt is shown, so the external display doesn't show the passphrase prompt (and importantly: whether unlocking succeeded). It's within a 1-year warranty for parts & labor. I'm currently talking to with System76 support staff to ship it back for repair. The process has, so far, been easy and straightforward.
In the past they had pushed a driver update that disabled the laptop display when multiple monitors are connected. I had recognized the problem since their system drivers are open source and was able to recommend & review a PR to fix [0]. It was nice to see that patch go in.
Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
#75I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.
i deeply hate being without a numpad. I understand it's duplicated space, but typing numbers on a numpad is just a million times faster than going above the alphabet keys.
How many digits long does it have to be to pay for the time to move your hand to the numpad and back?
Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
#76Obviously the "Linux-first" is a big value-add for this brand, but the hardware for the price isn't amazing. $1200 gets you a Zen 2 (previous generation) 6-core, 12-thread CPU[0], 8GB RAM, 240 GB NVME, 15" 1080p (did not see brightness/color accuracy mentioned.) But I like my laptops to come with fast refresh and a dedicated GPU, and I run Windows, so I'm not their target audience. Would love to hear how this is rece…
$906 gets you Ryzen 7, 16GB RAM, 14", no numpad: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/search?fq={!ex=733}lengs_Screen...
That's not accurate. If you click through, it's a set of laptops starting at $906. The model at that price is
* AMD Ryzen™ 3 Pro 5450U Processor (4 cores)
* 8 GB RAM
* 128 GB storage
Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
#771080p screen is a no-go. come on yall, it's 2021
Hard disagree. On a 15.6" 1080p really is sufficient. The upsides of not wasting battery and just performance of not having to push more pixels makes it worth it. Even gaming channels like LTT talk about this a bit. That being said - if you're coming from the macbooks retina it's definitely a downgrade. My guess however is that this device won't have a screen that is that good either way though.
Gamers are known of playing at lower resolutions so they would get more FPS.
Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
#78I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.
i deeply hate being without a numpad. I understand it's duplicated space, but typing numbers on a numpad is just a million times faster than going above the alphabet keys.
If you work in a bank, entering deposits and withdrawals all day. Or a shop that doesn't have a barcode reader. Or if you're an accountant. I suppose you could also argue for a special programmer's pad too. I mean, I play the odd FPS and I'm still happy with WASD so I'm definitely not gonna understand.
Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
i deeply hate being without a numpad. I understand it's duplicated space, but typing numbers on a numpad is just a million times faster than going above the alphabet keys.
is it? I don't think it's any slower than typing other characters.
I haven't had a full keyboard with a numpad in years, but if you ever worked in any data entry job in your career and learned to properly touch type on the numpad it is wildly faster than touch typing with the regular keyboard and needing to use two hands to reach all of the numbers.
I suspect the utility of a numpad is increased while the off center problems are decreased for touchtypers which is why there is such a divide.
Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
#80Obviously the "Linux-first" is a big value-add for this brand, but the hardware for the price isn't amazing. $1200 gets you a Zen 2 (previous generation) 6-core, 12-thread CPU[0], 8GB RAM, 240 GB NVME, 15" 1080p (did not see brightness/color accuracy mentioned.) But I like my laptops to come with fast refresh and a dedicated GPU, and I run Windows, so I'm not their target audience. Would love to hear how this is rece…
It's all Clevo based anyway. System76 doesn't go much beyond what they source. It's a shame, if they actually made the effort to design a laptop that went beyond its foundation, I'd be more interested. But instead it's Clevo guts, Clevo problems.
Looking at the AMD laptop linked...
Lots of empty space that could have been slightly optimized for a larger battery. It just seems basically thought out... not like consideration is actually put into the design and layout.