It's funny, anything I read about the hiring process of FAANG companies makes me not want to work there.
I got multiple FAANG offers in Europe
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Re: I got multiple FAANG offers in Europe
#72It's funny, anything I read about the hiring process of FAANG companies makes me not want to work there.
The most unappealing to me is that supposedly you don’t even really know what role you’re being hired for and they choose a team for you afterwards? At least that’s what I’ve heard. No way I’d go through all the bullshit for a dice roll.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember this was one of the first things they teach you in Java but in web world eg. react do you even think about that stuff... Unless you see call stack exceeded. That's why part of me does not consider myself a programmer since I'm just building out applications/basic server admin but I'm not worrying about nLogN or memory management. Unless something is really just blatantly bad/noticable lag/bad performance.…
> That's why part of me does not consider myself a programmer since I'm just building out applications/basic server admin but I'm not worrying about nLogN or memory management. Unless something is really just blatantly bad/noticable lag/bad performance. I only recently started to learn about BST but personally have not had to use it yet. There’s a comment I found from a few years back[0] that touches on something rel…
You're focused on delivering solutions. I've been programming for 35 years now and I know all this fancy-schmancy CS stuff - have a degree in CS and mathematics to go along with it - and you know how often I need to worry about this? Especially these days? Hardly ever. So don't worry about not considering yourself to be a programmer.
Build solutions, delight your customers, and call it a day.
Re: I got multiple FAANG offers in Europe
#74Anyone else a bit surprised by the shotgun-like application approach? I have learned from past mistakes to only apply for companies in which I think I will be happy doing what they do. I can't fathom applying to 400 different companies (but then again I also can't see myself wanting to work at FAANG)
For webdev stuff I often see people say "I applied to hundreds heard back from 3" makes me wonder are you a bad applicant or too much supply.
From what I've seen there's a surplus of applications and shortage of talent today.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That's why part of me does not consider myself a programmer since I'm just building out applications/basic server admin but I'm not worrying about nLogN or memory management. Unless something is really just blatantly bad/noticable lag/bad performance. I only recently started to learn about BST but personally have not had to use it yet. There’s a comment I found from a few years back[0] that touches on something rel…
You're focused on delivering solutions. I've been programming for 35 years now and I know all this fancy-schmancy CS stuff - have a degree in CS and mathematics to go along with it - and you know how often I need to worry about this? Especially these days? Hardly ever. So don't worry about not considering yourself to be a programmer. Build solutions, delight your customers, and call it a day.
Yeah I mean I still get paid/can't complain. I just feel concerned when people rattle off these algorithms and what not and I don't use it day to day... maybe it's FOMO.
Re: I got multiple FAANG offers in Europe
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook in London pays GBP 300K-500K+ though.
I (London residing) find that quite hard to believe. Unless you mean TC which includes share-options "valued at" £200K+ (but likely will barely get £50k when vested after 5 years of active tenure.) A good salary for principal engineers in London is upto £120k, but can be from half that. There are exceptional cases of higher. Highest I have personal confirmation of is £150k (a friend.) Across all of engineering, the m…
>share-options "valued at" £200K+ (but likely will barely get £50k when vested after 5 years of active tenure.)
This is a dangerous misconception to have. You may not want to work at FAANG which is fine. Otherwise don't shoot yourself in the foot by misunderstanding pay structure.
Public companies such as FB pay in liquid stock, that vests over some period of time. These are not options. You get 200K every year, immediately sellable. Or keep them and grow. Which given the performance over last two years would actually give you close to 400, not 50.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I (London residing) find that quite hard to believe. Unless you mean TC which includes share-options "valued at" £200K+ (but likely will barely get £50k when vested after 5 years of active tenure.) A good salary for principal engineers in London is upto £120k, but can be from half that. There are exceptional cases of higher. Highest I have personal confirmation of is £150k (a friend.) Across all of engineering, the m…
>share-options "valued at" £200K+ (but likely will barely get £50k when vested after 5 years of active tenure.) This is a dangerous misconception to have. You may not want to work at FAANG which is fine. Otherwise don't shoot yourself in the foot by misunderstanding pay structure. Public companies such as FB pay in liquid stock, that vests over some period of time. These are not options. You get 200K every year, imme…
I appreciate the clarification. It's not an indication of my desire to work at a FAANG or not. My own experience is from publically trading companies, whom offered options with (typically) 3-5 year vesting periods.
However..
> Public companies such as FB pay in liquid stock, that *vests over some period of time*.
And
> immediately sellable
Are a contradiction, no?
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not my experience in Germany. Maybe for base salaries; but not for total compensation.
at levels.fyi Amazon Germany starts at 66.000€ total. L4 at 87000€ with 2/3years of experience. Imagine sending out 400 resumes, spending months on leetcode, multiple days for interviews and then getting an offer for 66.000€. Edit: it's probably still worth it for getting the compoany name in your resume.
Sure, for a graduate position, targeting someone out of Uni; there are not many of those in Germany for €66k outside of FAANG (although I'm sure they exist). And that is unlikely to be what the OP was offered from Amazon (they said "mid-level"; probably SDE-II).
And for what it's worth; my search led to an average of €76k ($90k) for SDE-I in Germany: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Amazon/salaries/Software-Engi...
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#79>The first week of February went by. I sent, probably, several hundred applications. My rough estimate is 400. what. 400 applications?! I've heard about people on cscareerquestions sending hundreds of CVs, but this is insane!
> 400 applications?! I've heard about people on cscareerquestions sending hundreds of CVs, but this is insane!
Yep, looks like "resume spam". No wonder recruiters do not read submitted resumes anymore. Kind of DoS attack :-)
Re: I got multiple FAANG offers in Europe
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not my experience in Germany. Maybe for base salaries; but not for total compensation.
at levels.fyi Amazon Germany starts at 66.000€ total. L4 at 87000€ with 2/3years of experience. Imagine sending out 400 resumes, spending months on leetcode, multiple days for interviews and then getting an offer for 66.000€. Edit: it's probably still worth it for getting the compoany name in your resume.
The author lives in Nowhere, Russia; the chance to move to Europe is probably added attractiveness, once he's there it's easier to move jobs.