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Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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The downgrades seem to be prevalent across the Evo (Plus) range, for a while now. I got burnt twice, on two different microSD cards -- one was for a Raspberry Pi (64GB) in Jan 2020, and another quite recently for my S20 (128GB). The 256GB version was not affected by the downgrade to a lower write speed. Initially, the changes in lower write speeds from 90MB/s to 60MB/s were not communicated, either through a press re…

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Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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I used to work in their SSD vertical on the software side. For what it's worth, SSD/memory business unit is their pride. They never used to cut corners and do rigorous testing to ensure their customers aren't screwed over. Even when a bad batch of SSDs were shipped by mistake, they would recall/refund all of them proactively. When ever a new model is released, they would first ship limited units to a set of SSD enthu…

How are Samsung Smart TV’s garbage? I mean, they have ads and crap in some markets but so do all their competitors. I have a Samsung TV which has great picture quality, decent design and plenty of useful options for a very reasonable price.

The latest series has an issue with stuttering when watching live TV, hundreds of pages of complaints on their own and other forums, and Samsung has officially replied that yes, the issue exists, but they won't fix it. I know at least 3 people who have bought Samsung TVs in the last year and they all returned them due to this very issue.

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That's one way to deal with the counterfeiting problem -- just counterfeit your own devices! It's what the "sort by lowest price first" market demands, I guess.

Is Samsung the lowest price manufacturer? I've thought those are other manufacturers, and Samsung distinguishes itself through quality instead.

It the last years Samsung where the ones to beat in the SSD space. Higher price and higher perfomance, which can be measured but seldom felt in day to day operations, so i opted to save some bucks and bought Crucial SSDs.

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I mean, Sony also has a long reputation with similar issues — dubbed the Sony Timer

My perception of Sony is that they sell higher quality products. Sometimes only slightly higher, maybe not enough to offset the price premium if there is one, but I assume all their higher end stuff is top notch.

> but I assume all their higher end stuff is top notch.

From my unscientific sample, yes.

The Sony Master series of OLED TV's (e.g. A9) are IMHO, most likely the best TV you can buy at the moment.

I've seen them side-by-side next to high-end Panasonic kit, and whilst the Panasonics put on a good show compared to your average TV, the high-end Sony's are noticeably better.

The Sony firmware also seems to behave more consistently with HDMI auto-switching than the Panasonics. Sometimes you ended up having to switch manually on the Panasonic because whatever automagic was meant to happen didn't happen.

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A serious question. I use a “Smart TV” without any internet connectivity whatsoever. Never let it connect to my WiFi, neither did I connect Ethernet. This way I am happily enjoying a high quality “dumb TV” that I always wanted. Are all the complainers in HN really letting their TV connect to Internet (inspire of knowing all the crap TV manufacturers have been pulling all these years?!)

I watch YouTube and play music through my TV. I have no choice.

Your TV doesn’t have an HDMI port?

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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I watch YouTube and play music through my TV. I have no choice.

....how? There are literally hundreds of devices that will offer YouTube playback and music for as little as £30-40. Whether it's a good idea or not is a different matter entirely, but the notion that you "have no choice" is just silly. Is someone forcing you to watch YouTube through your TV?

Is there a difference in your tv spying on you and those devices spying on you? I don’t mean this to sound confrontational or rhetorical, I really don’t know.

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How are Samsung Smart TV’s garbage? I mean, they have ads and crap in some markets but so do all their competitors. I have a Samsung TV which has great picture quality, decent design and plenty of useful options for a very reasonable price.

The latest series has an issue with stuttering when watching live TV, hundreds of pages of complaints on their own and other forums, and Samsung has officially replied that yes, the issue exists, but they won't fix it. I know at least 3 people who have bought Samsung TVs in the last year and they all returned them due to this very issue.

Sony and LG flagship devices also have the same problems. I've a bravia and our office has an LG c9 tv - the softwdre on them both is unusable. The problem is there's no other real choice in the high quality TV market, and the experiences are still better than before; having one remote for Netflix, prime, live tv and a sound system via ARC is such a huge improvement too.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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The reporting is this case is a little dramatized IMHO. As you can read here [0] they actually use the controller from the 980 Pro and more dense NAND, Billy Tallis from Anandtech filled in some missing technical detail. You actually gain performance in the random 4K case, which is important in day to day operations but you loose sequential write speed if you exceed the SLC-Cache of 115GB.

This differs quite significantly from WD silently changing the Blue drive from TLC (okay with Cache) to QLC which nets you write speeds lower than HDDs after the cache is full. Crucial did TLC->QLC on the P2 too, but you could get those drives for 30% less up until a week ago.

(edit) forgot to mention ADATA who switched the controller of their SX8200 Pro [1]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28320640 [1] https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-xpg-sx8200-pro-contr...

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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In light of the chip shortages everyone is talking about, I've been scratching my head about all the laptops, desktops and AIOs on the market - there are millions of them, from dozens of manufacturers (or so it seems). All soldered down but using modern chips from Intel and nVidia, same chips everyone claims are in short supply. Who is buying these things? What happens to them when they're not sold? Where are all the…

Yes, why does the chip shortage only effect high end card/car chips. I would be pretty darn surprised if laptop/smartphones have less number of chips than cars, still the former industry doesn't seem to be affected by chip shortage even though they sell a lot more pieces for lot less price so the later industry would be willing to pay more per chip.

I'm an uninformed consumer but if I had to guess chip binning plays a huge part in the availability of parts. If a production line can produce X chips per day with 20% highest quality, 30% "mid range" and 40% "low end" (with 10% waste) you'll have 2x as many low end chips available as high end ones.
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