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FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by josephorjoe »

bluGill wrote: post #18
acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

I'm expecting most fortune 500 companies will now mandate all employees be vaccinated, along with most colleges.

Yes, i would expect a lot of announcements this week.

Looks like NYC Public Schools are going to mandate all staff be vaccinated (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/23/nyregion/nyc-schools-empl...). I would expect most hospitals/health care organizations to pretty quickly mandate it as well.

There is very little incentive for a large organization to take on the added costs of allowing a large percent of their staff/members to remain unvaccinated now.

And despite all the stories/articles about the desperate, angry anti-vax people, they are really just a small minority who are good at being noisy, and the rest of us are becoming increasingly impatient with them.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by giantg2 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #46
ibejoeb wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US needs it if they want people who are spooked my mRNA tech to get vaccinated. They also need it if they want a vaccine that is the mostly likely to be safe for use in children.

The US has the J&J vaccine for that.

It's a similar mechanism, right? You're just using a virus to carry the genetic material, which also involves an extra transcription step in the cell (what is theorized as causing mutations in the spike and thus the stroke/clotting issues). Still quite different from the traditional inactive or protein based ones.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by tohnjitor »

acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

FDA approval is mostly meaningless. Just this year they approved an Alzheimer's treatment which ended clinical trials early because it didn't work.

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/06/08/th...

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by formerly_proven »

bart_spoon wrote: post #62
giantg2 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or continue an existing reason: "Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes."

Which still wouldn't be a logical argument, given that the same applies regarding long-term health outcomes regarding getting sick with Covid. But I suspect you are right.

"But Covid is something natural, while the vaccine is man-made."

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by epistasis »

HideousKojima wrote: post #54
ceejayoz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government isn't compelling me to get vaccinated, either.

Sure, so long as you don't need groceries in a major city.

They also compel you to do things such as wear clothes and shoes in order to get service.

If you want to take part in exchange, you must do it in terms acceptable to both parties. You are not entitled to take from society on whatever terms you dictate on your own.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by c7DJTLrn »

cle wrote: post #59
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #40

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Concern? Why? The virus is under control in countries where the vaccine rollout has been swift. Why do you sound so keen to force something on people that they don't want, regardless of their reasons? Shouldn't people have the right to choose what they take? If people can lose their jobs over it then clearly they don't have that right - that's a form of coercion/blackmail. I think the focus on a small minority of peo…

> Shouldn't people have the right to choose what they take? It's not this simple. Not taking a vaccine during a pandemic has negative externalities, since you're increasing the risk of infection and death of those you interact with, you increase the likelihood of consuming scarce resources (such as ICU beds), etc. I largely agree with you, but framing it as a simple "individual choice" issue is reductive at best.

1. Those who are vaccinated have a significant reduction in risk of death (not to mention that the risk is very minute for young people anyway), so that's a moot point

2. Some vaccinated people have been found to carry the same levels of the virus as unvaccinated people, so stating that unvaccinated people could be increasing risk to others is also a moot point

3. Once the so called "R" rate is below one, the virus is on a path to fizzling out

It's not as though unvaccinated people will be dying in their thousands for centuries to come. Herd immunity just needs to kick in which many countries have already achieved.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by detaro »

HideousKojima wrote: post #54
ceejayoz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government isn't compelling me to get vaccinated, either.

Sure, so long as you don't need groceries in a major city.

how does the government response to you not being vaccinated interfere with you getting groceries?

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by HideousKojima »

ceejayoz wrote: post #70
HideousKojima wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, so long as you don't need groceries in a major city.

Grocery curbside pickup and delivery are readily available in my non-major city.

That's great if you've got a vehicle and/or can pay the extra cost for delivery. The urban groups statistically most likely to be unvaccinated (blacks and hispanics) are also those statistically least likely to have a vehicle or be able to pay for delivery.
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