Well, OK then. Time to get something else and stop paying that subscription fee.
Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app
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Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
SwiftUI only runs on MacOS 10.15 or later.
Yeah but you can do appkit with swift without having to use objc
That's still a big chunk of new code you need to write only to throw it away a few years later. Even with just a handful of developers for a year or two that's still millions your throwing away, meanwhile you're developing this Electron thing for the Mac anyway so using that for a few years instead has zero cost.
Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah but you can do appkit with swift without having to use objc
That's still a big chunk of new code you need to write only to throw it away a few years later. Even with just a handful of developers for a year or two that's still millions your throwing away, meanwhile you're developing this Electron thing for the Mac anyway so using that for a few years instead has zero cost.
Appkit isn't going anywhere and you can migrate piece by piece to swiftui
Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
We’ve been a 1Password for Business customer for about 3 years. But we’re looking at moving to something like BitWarden because it has true SSO support, while 1Password doesn’t. 1Password has been very clear this is a feature they’re not interested in supporting, and our users have been very clear that remembering a second password and secret key for their password manager is too difficult. AgileBits is presenting it…
>But we’re looking at moving to something like BitWarden because it has true SSO support, while 1Password doesn’t. That is what I am curious about, too: starting the the v8 of 1Password I just can't justify paying premium for 1Password anymore as a mac user who has a family account. Both have Electron clients and cloud-only vaults, but Bitwarden subscription is 40USD/yr., and 1Password charges 60USD/yr. In my opinion…
That’s fair enough, but being Electron or not isn’t the only criteria to judge a UI. Personally after testing both (on Linux) I found 1Password’s UI to be better enough compared to Bitwarden to warrant the price difference.
Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Native will always give the richest user experience, and deliver the most up-to-date tech. No. It could , but when there's only one developer working on that app for three platforms and they prioritize Windows, you gain nothing. Native will, of course, be a bit faster and have more features, but for that you need to have a dedicated developer that knows the specialities and can make use of them. But if you want to…
Native will, of course, be a bit faster and have more features, but for that you need to have a dedicated developer that knows the specialities and can make use of them. This is why a lot of people are upset. AgileBit was that dedicated developer that developed top-tier macOS apps (like OmniGroup). Many people have poured hundreds of dollars into their product because it was such a great Mac app. And now that people…
> And now that people are locked into
It doesn’t take a lot of effort to switch password manager, there’s no significant lock-in.
Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app
#76One of the more important features of 1Password, to me, is its cross-platform nature. Being able to use it on an iPhone, Mac, Android device, or Windows box, is beyond valuable. It’s a huge selling point. So I am not that concerned about them using a hybrid app. The biggest concern that I have, is that the poster child for Electron apps is Slack; which I consider to be … non-optimal. I dread firing up my Slack client…
The KeePass database format has clients for every platform… and the best part is you don’t pay for yet another subscription.
Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app
#77I still don't understand what people's hate for electron is. As someone who uses Windows, Linux and on occasion a mac it generally means you get a fairly consistent experience across all platforms and often it also means the linux version doesn't actually suck or you actually get linux support in the first place. Which is always a big plus for me. Also I feel like the performance is decent at this point. For a fully…
Recently switched to VSCode from Jetbrains IDEs on MacBook Air M1, amazed at how much faster my editor boots up, and generally also more responsive. Haven't noticed any memory issues either, I only have 8GB RAM
How recently? If you installed IntelliJ during 2020 it didn't have native ARM support yet[1], and had to be reinstalled to get it, so it would have been running in emulation.
[1] https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2020/12/intellij-idea-2020-3...
Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app
#78I’ll be interested to see how React Native on desktop progresses. The developer productivity and consistency gains of working on one codebase rather than 2 or 3 cannot be argued with, and I’m confident more and more software will be moving in this direction regardless of the opinion of (what is probably) a fairly small number of hardcore users. However, I do agree that Electron can give a sub-optimal experience compa…
React Native on Windows and macOS works decently well these days. The macOS port is lagging behind the Windows one, but only by one major version. There are still some third party modules that don’t work on the desktop ports, but the support is getting better by the day. I have one small app in production that supports Android/iOS/Windows/macOS and web, all in one code base. Definitely a game changer, especially with…
Any news about it for linux (gnome or kde?)
It's frustrating not being able to develop something for the 3 oses i use at once (windows, linux, android)
Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Native will always give the richest user experience, and deliver the most up-to-date tech. No. It could , but when there's only one developer working on that app for three platforms and they prioritize Windows, you gain nothing. Native will, of course, be a bit faster and have more features, but for that you need to have a dedicated developer that knows the specialities and can make use of them. But if you want to…
> when there's only one developer working on that app for three platforms and they prioritize Windows, you gain nothing. Which is why hybrid is so popular. It’s not a good idea, generally, to have one developer, working native, on all platforms. You need a team. A fairly expensive team. I ran a team that provided “engine” code (C++) for native apps (on a couple of platforms) for decades. I’m fairly familiar with the…
> I ran a team that provided “engine” code (C++) for native apps (on a couple of platforms) for decades.
Same here. The best approach I’ve seen is code is 80-95% C++ business logic, plus a small platform-specific GUI shim in the native language to keep the nice platform look and feel. All the major PC and mobile platforms still can call into and out of C and C++. This is the way! It has been tried and true for years.
Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
>As someone who uses Windows, Linux Yeah, your tolerance for inconsistent UX is much higher than longtime macOS users.
Mac has lots and lots of inconsistencies too. Some apps, like Music.app, is also pretty much an Apple version of electron. The inconsistencies aren't better on Mac, just different ones.
Long time macOS users haven't tolerated Music.app well either.