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Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by jjulius »

endisneigh wrote: post #43
geofft wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of Android? Normal Google-provided Android, which contains closed-source components? Or do you have an open-source alternative in mind? Where do I self-host NextCloud?

you can self-host NextCloud on your laptop or desktop. you can use whichever flavor of Android you'd like - a lot of people like GrapheneOS

So, lemme preface this by saying I also use my own NAS at home and wholly support your push for self-hosting. That said, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here, because this is an area I admittedly haven't put much thought into.

GP said:

>... non-cloud services that provide me with automatic backups of everything I do if something happens to my apartment...

And my first concern is that a laptop or desktop (or my NAS) won't fare well if an apartment is broken into and the devices are stolen, or they get severely damaged in a natural disaster. What might a good mitigation be for that that doesn't involve spinning up a VPS via DO, etc.?

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by stephc_int13 »

Hackbraten wrote: post #54
stephc_int13 wrote: post #34

I want to own the devices I buy, hardware and software. Apple has no business doing what is the role of a state. I, quite simply, don't trust them.

Me neither. I used to trust them to do the right thing for their customers but not anymore.

I don't understand what they are thinking.

This project is probably going to cost millions, they won't catch any pedophiles, they will only scare them so they don't use Apple devices.

Nobody asked them to do it.

This is none of their business.

It can only creates new vulnerabilities, privacy issues and general annoyance.

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Post by shuckles »

gbrown wrote: post #32
travoc wrote: post #7

Can someone explain how Apple being coaxed or coerced into searching all of our personal devices for illegal files by federal law enforcement is not an unconstitutional warrantless search?

Simple - our laws haven't evolved with technology. That's why your mail has about a million times more protection than your email.

USPS regularly X-rays mail, and the only protection against abuse is policy (it’s not admissible evidence in the United States).

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Post by Barrin92 »

kilroy123 wrote: post #57
gbrown wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple - our laws haven't evolved with technology. That's why your mail has about a million times more protection than your email.

Yup. That's what happens when the country is ran by a bunch of old lawyers.

probably depends more on the kind of old lawyer. I've actually noticed that in general older people tend to be more privacy conscious than younger ones. Old people at least still know what secrecy of correspondence even is. It's not even a concept that exists any more for a lot of gen z.

In particular American supreme court arguments often stand out to me in how clearly the judges manage to connect old principles to newer technologies.

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Post by lifty »

tmdg wrote: post #56
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #39

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The practical difference is that with on-device scanning, the system is just a few bit flips away from scanning every photo on your device, instead of just the ones that are about to be uploaded. With server-side scanning, the separation is clear—what's on Apple's server can be scanned, and what's only on your phone cannot. This all plays so perfectly into my long-time fears about the locked down nature of the iPhone…

I feel like this is a false sense of security. Even before this change, they can easily access and scan photos on your device. If they do any post-processing of the image on device, they already do.

It’s not a false sense of security, it’s a clear delimitation between theirs and mine; Debian package maintainers can also slip a scanner on your machine but that is a big line to cross on purpose and without notifying the user.

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Post by himaraya »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #72
Hackbraten wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me neither. I used to trust them to do the right thing for their customers but not anymore.

I don't understand what they are thinking. This project is probably going to cost millions, they won't catch any pedophiles, they will only scare them so they don't use Apple devices. Nobody asked them to do it. This is none of their business. It can only creates new vulnerabilities, privacy issues and general annoyance.

Just think of it as a form of lobbying.

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Post by decebalus1 »

DarkmSparks wrote: post #61

There are two things that make me think this will be walked back. Firstly, and most importantly, this kind of backdoor is the kind of thing that makes big corps prohibit the use/purchases of devices. Secondly, it seems rife for abuse: dont like someone who uses an ios device, msg them some cp and destroy their entire life.

> this kind of backdoor is the kind of thing that makes big corps prohibit the use/purchases of devices.

I wouldn't be too hopeful about this. They can just disable this feature if the device is enrolled in MDM. For enterprise devices, the company itself is responsible for what's on them. And depending on the company, they may already scan all content for a bunch of stuff (like exfiltrating trade secrets or whatever).

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

shuckles wrote: post #69
tmdg wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like this is a false sense of security. Even before this change, they can easily access and scan photos on your device. If they do any post-processing of the image on device, they already do.

Apple already scans your photos for faces and syncs found faces through iCloud. I’d imagine updating that machine learning model is at least as straightforward as this one.

They're searching for different things though. To my knowledge, before now iOS has never scanned for fingerprints of specific photographs. It would be so darn easy to replace the CSAM database with fingerprints of known tiananmen square photos...

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Post by twobitshifter »

shuckles wrote: post #73
gbrown wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple - our laws haven't evolved with technology. That's why your mail has about a million times more protection than your email.

USPS regularly X-rays mail, and the only protection against abuse is policy (it’s not admissible evidence in the United States).

Not only that, but they log all metadata on the envelope of every letter sent.
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