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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I haven't had a single bad experience with Bitwarden. I even pay for it now and still run it locally just to support them. Highly recommended if you don't want to be forced into 1Password's service.

I moved to Bitwarden from Lastpass also, and I'm definitely happy for the most part.

The chrome extension leaves a tiny bit to be desired, but definitely still usable:

* Not as good about determining correct sign-in URL and lots of times will send me through the auth redirect from registration

* Launching sites without mouse isn't possible (shortcut exists to open extension but can't select site to launch it using arrow keys, for instance)

* Button locations aren't consistent between search view and opening it on a site you have a password on

Definitely still the best for me though. It's frustrating, though, that I don't feel like the paid plans really give me anything useful, so I'd be paying basically just to support the product (which I'm happy to do!). It's a weird spot for sure, I feel like table-stakes for a free password product is infinite devices + usable browser extension + phone apps + password generation. But figuring out what to add on top of that is always either directed at businesses or families, or things I don't care about like 2FA or an authenticator. I want to support you, damnit!

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

How does one check if an app running on a mac is native or electron?

If you can’t tell the difference it doesn’t matter and I wouldn’t worry about it.

Electron apps typically don’t work for me because they don’t integrate with the rest of the system cleanly, and so once you stray off the designers’ happy path it becomes clumsy to use the app. This isn’t an esthetic or ideological argument; simply for my usage an electron app can rarely be as convenient as a native app on the Mac. Things like input integration, system service integration, selection, and responsiveness are much harder to do when you are fighting the electron abstraction, so no wonder devs leave those things out.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#74
The argument they're making in this longwinded post applies to most software today. Standalone licenses made sense when your life revolved around one PC saving data to its own hard drive. Today, if you want that, there are great free/DIY options.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

How does one check if an app running on a mac is native or electron?

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I know what 1Password is but haven't used it. Are there advantages of using it over Apple's built in keychain? Would appreciate if someone who has used/uses 1Password could comment on this.

It has a built in 2FA generator.

It supports many more kinds of secure data than passwords and credit cards. It has specific entry types for bank accounts, passports, reward programs, software licenses, and so on.

It also has lots of built in analysis tools for determining: - which of your passwords are reused, weak, or present in online password dumps - what websites can have 2FA enabled on them

As well as the ability to store entire documents in vaults.

Been using 1Password since 2008 and it's the only software of its kind I recommend to anyone on any platform.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I use 1Password, and migrated over to their subscription service some time ago. A password manager seems like the best overall option at this time. However, given they have all the password for many people, how are they not one of the biggest targets in the world? In their old Dropbox model, I understood the security model. In the service model it's moved to "Just Trust Us". Is there anyone who can help me understand…

https://1password.com/security/

It's basically E2EE (where the encryption key is your master password + secret key, which looks similar to a guid), with the caveat being that 1password is still accessible via the browser so you do have to trust they're not compromising you by saving your secret key + master password separately (that is, unless you're auditing the login page every time you open it).

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Well darn, I guess I have to find a new password manager. 1Pass + Dropbox sync was so good.

Unless they remove support for local vaults from their mobile apps, you can continue using the classic self-synced method. I sync my 1Password vault across Android and Windows using SyncThing, using 1Password 7 and the legacy browser extension in Firefox. I don't get the inline 1Password prompt in password inputs, but that's the only disadvantage (Ctrl+Alt+\ brings up the password selector anywhere in the OS, not just the browser).

In fact, if you're okay with only editing/creating password entries on your phone, you don't even need to pay for the desktop app, because you can use it in read-only mode. The Android app has no limitation to editing local vaults, and it's pretty rare for me to actually have to set up new accounts these days, so I'm fine doing it on my phone. I considered paying for 1Password X (their online offering), but it's simply not worth $45 per year for that minor convenience. I can't complain at all, because I use 1Password completely for free.

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