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Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by steveklabnik »

ecf wrote: post #39
tzs wrote: post #37

I'm somewhat baffled and amused by how much hate Electron gets on HN when an existing app moves to it or a new app uses it while at the same time whenever editors and/or IDEs are discussed Visual Studio Code (an Electron all) is massively praised.

It’s pretty easy to understand. VSCode was an electron app from day one and never tried to be a first-class Mac app while the only reason 1Password is around today is because customers loved having a lightweight, native manager that always was quick to support new OS features. Essentially, native Mac apps switching to electron is a bait and switch.

I'm not a Mac user these days, what OS features will it be missing now?

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by djrogers »

cloogshicer wrote: post #2

Currently 1Password's UX is just awful. - On macOS, half the time auto fill doesn't work. Saving a password is very inconsistent. - When you auto generate a password, the least resistance UI workflow is to first save and fill it - but then when you create the account it is saved again, making it a duplicate. - The "move to trash" button is obscurely hidden somehow (used to be much better). - And don't get me started…

Anecdata, but I've not experienced a single one of the issues you're seeing, and I use it across 2 Macs an iPhone and an iPad dozens of times a day.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by gumby »

asdff wrote: post #45

What was even the value proposition of using 1password over the native keychain access on mac? Generating passwords? Safari does this now (albeit always ignores the website's specific password rules and gets it wrong most of the time)

Sharing cross platform. Also I share some vaults (with my kids, and also with my aging parents).

But this is such a step backwards it doesn’t seem worth continuing with 1Password, after more than a dozen years.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by jhawk28 »

reilly3000 wrote: post #51
newman314 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, crap. I guess I'm staying on the current version for as long as possible and then considering options. I will state for the record that I think this is mindblowingly stupid.

It may be a good idea to consider a new option unless they are explicitly planning on maintaining security updates for v7.

Its just a matter of time before the browser plugins stop working. Otherwise, the software should continue to work.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by Johnny555 »

rcarmo wrote: post #3

Like I commented the other day, they are losing me as a customer because of that - and because of "improving" the vault format so that it no longer syncs with iOS via iCloud. This is going to cause all sorts of grief when we are forced to upgrade the iOS app to align with 8 and lose the ability to sync via that. I wouldn't mind paying for a Family license if I didn't have to use their sync service - I just don't trus…

they are losing me as a customer because of that

I don't think they care - they are chasing the enterprise market who doesn't care how well the desktop client works as long as it integrates with their enterprise SSO solution and gives them the audit logs they need.

My company uses 1Password, and their license includes a free 1Password family license for employees.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by steveklabnik »

agloeregrets wrote: post #46
tzs wrote: post #37

I'm somewhat baffled and amused by how much hate Electron gets on HN when an existing app moves to it or a new app uses it while at the same time whenever editors and/or IDEs are discussed Visual Studio Code (an Electron all) is massively praised.

In addition to the bait and switch comment, 1Password is an always-running app. Congrats, they just decided 1500MB of your ram is theirs now.

I'm using the Windows beta, and there are 3 background process. One is using 4.5mb of RAM, one 32, and one 43.9.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by kall »

asdff wrote: post #45

What was even the value proposition of using 1password over the native keychain access on mac? Generating passwords? Safari does this now (albeit always ignores the website's specific password rules and gets it wrong most of the time)

If it‘s worth the effort to you, you can try to amend the password rules here: https://github.com/apple/password-manager-resources/blob/mai...

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by TriStateFarmer »

Can we start talking in terms of "Environmental Impact"?

Work out the energy use per hour of the old vs the new system * number of installs. See how much extra millions of tons of carbon 1password is spewing into the air because of their technology change!

Reminder: when a company chooses a technology stack that suits them (the developers of the software) and NOT the end users, then things tend to go badly.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by gumby »

the_optimist wrote: post #47
rvz wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has been painfully admitted that they are moving to Electron. Mentioning 'It's using Rust' doesn't make it any faster or efficient since at the end of the day, it is going to be slower regardless. This tweet by a user called _cprecioso is priceless of the reaction on 1Password's move to Electron. [0] [0] https://twitter.com/_cprecioso/status/1425429383880318980

Why do you think it’s going to be slower, and in comparison to what?

> Why do you think it’s going to be slower

Have you ever used an electron app? Typically slow and laggy. Worse, your workflow is typically slower since the user don’t get any the advantages of native integration.

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