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How about the most basic IDS on the laptop? He really should have know it was taken from the closet (and its network connection) and then replaced. Personally, I'd have been more patient and used wifi. Or one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug
Yeah, a throwaway computing device in the network closet, which he then pulled the data from over the net (or, even better, which then uploaded the data to another server) would have dramatically reduced the risk he took. It's 20/20 hindsight, though. It's obvious from the way he behaved that he didn't think this was anywhere near as big a deal as it's turned out to be. And I might have easily made the same mistake.
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Re: Rogue Academic Downloader Busted by MIT Webcam Stakeout, Arrest Report Says
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Yes, but crimes that have the potential to benefit people without hurting anyone else?
Some of them - not all. Just look at all those drug-related laws.
To put things into perspective...
- Swartz, 24, faces 35 years in prison and a $1 million fine under the indictment.
- Anders Breivik killed at least 76 people, and the maximum punishment under Norwegian law is 21 years (albeit with the option to extend it for 5 years each after that).
Who committed the bigger and more serious crime here??
Re: Rogue Academic Downloader Busted by MIT Webcam Stakeout, Arrest Report Says
#73>The two MIT officers and Special Agent Pickett then tried to stop Swartz, who jumped off his bike and ran away, only to be caught and handcuffed by the Secret Service Agent, according to the report. RUN FASTER. I really can't stress this enough. The reason he got caught is because he didn't run fast enough. If you're going to do stuff like this, LEARN TO RUN FAST. Cops are fat and slow. You can usually get away from…
Ha, I was just thinking the same thing. Also, if we're talking pure logistics, don't jump off the BIKE either. Perhaps we should consider the fact that the secret service was involved.. I bet that guy is pretty fast. I don't know why I think that though, just seems more "tough". Another thing: Aaron is a really important person to have writing/researching/hacking outside of prison. Surely it's a net win to just pay a…
Actually, if he's accused of wire fraud, his lawyers might get him off; as I don't think he did anything fraudulent. At what point did he misrepresent a fact, which was relied upon by the victim causing losses? He lied about his name, but that didn't cause the loss. He lied about his IP number, but I think he simply represented his IP number to be a "John Doe" - any other number than the one that was blocked; not the IP number of a privileged user. I would debate that nobody expects your IP number to remain constant under all circumstances anyway, unless you have a privileged IP which the admins have specifically greenlisted.
So how did his "lies" (dummy name, and maybe a dummy IP number) cause any losses?
And is changing your IP number to some other random IP (once or twice, not in an automated way) really misrepresenting a material fact?
Re: Rogue Academic Downloader Busted by MIT Webcam Stakeout, Arrest Report Says
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"I hate being pedantic[1] but I keep seeing people make this mistake: JSTOR is not just public domain works, and there is no indication that the downloading was limited to public domain works." I'd like to tweak the presentation here. Many of the comments I keep seeing (including here on HN) seem to go with the take that 1. That it positively did include works that weren't in the public domain. There doesn't seem to…
1. That it positively did include works that weren't in the public domain. There doesn't seem to be any indication that this is the case. It's stated in the Wired article that "much of what Swartz is accused of downloading from JSTOR is copyrighted". It's stated in JSTOR's statement that "The downloaded content included more than 4 million articles, book reviews, and other content from our publisher partners' academi…
I'll ignore this for the moment (or at least regard it as "dubious"), and I hope it's obvious why. If we do ignore it, let's see if it's possible for the other two citations you provide here take on a different character in its absence:
> It's stated in JSTOR's statement that "The downloaded content included more than 4 million articles, book reviews, and other content from our publisher partners' academic journals and other publications".
> The indictment states that downloads included "approximately 4.8 million articles, a major portion of the total archive in which JSTOR had invested. Of these, approximately 1.7 million were made available by independent publishers for purchase through JSTOR's Publisher Sales Service."
The claims about partners only means that there were publishers and other organizations supplying content to JSTOR (and were probably selling that content through their own, unrelated channels.) This does not preclude the content in question being entirely public domain content. Given the other characterizations in the indictment, I suspected it of being an instance of deliberately giving an impression of something that doesn't match what really happened while carefully skating on the edge of truthfulness. (I.e., "Yeah, partners were making it available for purchase, but, oh, did we fail to mention that it's public domain anyway?")
A closer reading, though, lends credence to still-in-copyright works being in the mix, if you treat "major portion" as being synonymous with "majority" (used correctly), and even more starkly and convincingly, in light of the numbers you provide.
Here are some more numbers provided by JSTOR: 7 million items online across 44 million pages as of February 2011 http://about.jstor.org/about-us/jstor-numbers >.
[In case you can't tell, what I'm really saying is you've got me convinced.]
> However, it's hard to fit any explanation about his intentions to the facts as we know them without making major assumptions about information we don't have.
One such assumption you could make is that he was operating under the modus of grabbing what was possible and sorting it all out later. It doesn't seem to even qualify as a stretch. Given a similar line of thinking of mine in the past for a similar operation (involving databases operated by Gale Group), I certainly don't have any trouble maintaining this assumption for myself (and to myself). There is a detail that gives me pause, though...
> but then, why does a Harvard research fellow need to covertly access JSTOR from MIT
Damned good question.
> And not just access, but download two thirds of it?
Well, is there really any question here? I think it's safe to say that, were it not for a thorny interruption, Swartz was probably aiming for something closer to three thirds of it.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
My local library is like that. I've had to wait on checking out a PDF because all available copies were taken. Yay, future!
Pleas please please tell me this is a joke? Set numbers of PDF checkouts? I don't know if I should weep or vomit.
It's artificial scarcity, but this is hardly new. The number of books in a library was never limited by the cost of paper.
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Some of them - not all. Just look at all those drug-related laws.
It is just me, or does a 35 year old prison term sound CRAZY? Never mind the proposed monetary fine... the punishment just doesn't seem to fit the crime. It's outrageous. To put things into perspective... - Swartz, 24, faces 35 years in prison and a $1 million fine under the indictment. - Anders Breivik killed at least 76 people, and the maximum punishment under Norwegian law is 21 years (albeit with the option to ex…
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There's nothing wrong with police skepticism or discussing libertarianism. Calling cops dumb and fat and saying you can avoid arrest by running faster... ehmm... what the hell passes for intelligent discussion on here now?
"saying you can avoid arrest by running faster" Is that false? If they cannot catch you, how can they arrest you?
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That is not unusual. The Secret Service has a very long history of investigating computer crimes.
Indeed. They're almost solely responsible for protecting us from the hacker scourge of role playing and card game vendors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games,_Inc._v._Un...
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"saying you can avoid arrest by running faster" Is that false? If they cannot catch you, how can they arrest you?
By ID'ing you from video from any of tens of cameras in the area, coming to your house, arresting you there, and then charging you with resisting arrest.
People have the tendency to greatly overestimate the usefulness of security camera footage in solving crime. Personally, I blame Hollywood.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/06/ukcrime1
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23412867-tens-of-...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mab...
Re: Rogue Academic Downloader Busted by MIT Webcam Stakeout, Arrest Report Says
#80JSTOR didn't get those documents through magic or witchcraft. However they collected them, a motivated, brilliant millionaire genius might be able to collect them as well. If they are in the public domain, then he could distribute them for free. Or, he could run around hiding laptops at MIT, and get arrested. I guess the latter is probably more exciting and more likely to get you laid.
To be clear, I think it's obscene that they are prosecuting him for this, and I think it will get thrown out in the end. Maybe he just wanted to make a political statement to get the discussion rolling. Maybe he just doesn't give a fuck.