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Right.. yeah because some laws like anti terrorism or money laundering etc stated that tech companies has to save the data and share with the gov if the gov requested. Source: I work in fintech
Do these laws specify that you're not allowed to make features that encrypt data?
Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)
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Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)
#72I was patiently waiting for the M1 16in MacBook Pro to come out. After reading all these revelations, I am now considering not buying the new MacBook Pro and instead, just stick with Linux.
Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)
#73I was patiently waiting for the M1 16in MacBook Pro to come out. After reading all these revelations, I am now considering not buying the new MacBook Pro and instead, just stick with Linux.
I am an app developer who was thinking of upgrading to the next M1 Mac mini coming out later this year. For my work, I pretty much need an Apple hardware. However after this whole privacy debacle, I have started looking into Hackintosh and whether I can build one to for building my apps. If anyone has experience with developing for iOS/MacOS on hackintosh, please let me know your experience.
With a Hackintosh, ask yourself if you really value your time. Couple hundred bucks for an M1 Mini feels very cheap in comparison.
Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)
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An obvious solution would be to allow third-party storage services where you can dump your device data pre-encrypted and restore from those services. Only you would have the key. It isn't hard to implement. The hard part would be getting the US security apparatus to allow it. ALL major storage providers DON'T support end-to-end encryption for this reason. Not Google. Not Microsoft. Not Apple. Not Dropbox. Isn't this…
Google's Android backups claim end to end encryption. > By design, this means that no one (including Google) can access a user's backed-up application data without specifically knowing their passcode. https://security.googleblog.com/2018/10/google-and-android-h...
https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/us-national-...
But I do stand corrected on non-Google application data.
How do you restore from a different device? Oh, you only need the passcode.
Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)
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I think we are all throwing wrong questions at wrong entities. What we should ask is what the hell is going on and what is forcing everyone to implement backdoors in this organized manners.
China. Specifically, gradual capitulation to China. "Apple's earnings for Greater China in Q2 2021 were up 87.5% from this time last year, to $17.7 billion. During its latest earnings call, Apple has announced dramatically increased revenues from Greater China for the three months ending March, 2021." China has cracked down hard on domestic Internet companies over the past few weeks (deliberately crushing their tech…
None of that makes sense. Why would using the system only to target child abuse in the US make people change their mind about using it against political dissidents?
Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)
#76Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups. Given the lack of an explicit statement on Apple's part and their history regarding E2EE backups (this article, and other statements). It seems really unlikely to me that Apple will enable E2EE backups. Under E2EE, assuming the device key is randomly generated, if you have one device (as many users do) and you lose…
A viable alternative is multiple LUKS-style key slots, one per registered device that can be unlocked with a device keys, and one that is by default encrypted with a key derived from your iCloud password. If you lose all your iDevices _and_ your password at the same time, you lose your data. They could also make this opt in (add another escrow key slot by default, but allow you to promise that you've written down a r…
I don't know how this is with iPhones (I don't own one), but with Android these events are almost 100% correlated for many people. That's because you never get prompted for your Google account password on your phone. If you don't use the same Google account on your phone as on your desktop, or don't really use your Google account on the desktop that much to begin with (both apply to me and plenty of others I'm sure) then you might never need to know your password. I've seen people not even realise that they have a Google account, despite using one every day on their phone. Is there anything significantly different with Apple accounts?
In case it seems unlikely that someone would not use their phone account on their desktop, remember that plenty of young people today don't even have a non-phone device.
Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)
#77Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups. Given the lack of an explicit statement on Apple's part and their history regarding E2EE backups (this article, and other statements). It seems really unlikely to me that Apple will enable E2EE backups. Under E2EE, assuming the device key is randomly generated, if you have one device (as many users do) and you lose…
On the other hand: Apple loves giving people reasons to have more Apple devices
Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)
#78Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups. Given the lack of an explicit statement on Apple's part and their history regarding E2EE backups (this article, and other statements). It seems really unlikely to me that Apple will enable E2EE backups. Under E2EE, assuming the device key is randomly generated, if you have one device (as many users do) and you lose…
And even if they did, how would we verify that the code they instruct our hardware to run does e2ee correctly, without bugs or backdoors? Apple doesn't seem to be in the habit of opening much of their code or (on mobile) allowing users to install unapproved builds. Unless that changed, I would be skeptical, just as I am of all "e2ee" software that cannot be independently audited by anyone at any time.
Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)
#79There's a way to make fully encrypted backups of your iPhone locally, check out my blog post from my self-hosting series: https://www.naut.ca/blog/2020/03/20/self-hosting-series-part... This works well on Linux, and iOS 14. You can skip to the section `Compiling idevicebackup2`.
Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
An obvious solution would be to allow third-party storage services where you can dump your device data pre-encrypted and restore from those services. Only you would have the key. It isn't hard to implement. The hard part would be getting the US security apparatus to allow it. ALL major storage providers DON'T support end-to-end encryption for this reason. Not Google. Not Microsoft. Not Apple. Not Dropbox. Isn't this…
> The hard part would be getting the US security apparatus to allow it. This is why ALL the major storage providers DON'T support end-to-end encryption. I don't think so. The reason is there's no money to be earned with being simply a storage provider. Additional processing, indexing, workflow tools etc. is what people pay for. That's not possible with E2E encryption.
https://www.dropbox.com/features/security/vault
Why only pincode protection?
What about Dropbox Password? That seems to be zero knowledge?
They are two separate attempts in the security space.