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The surreal experience of my first developer job

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Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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"Never work for a small business unless you own it". Citation: me, 35 years ago after my first small business employee experience.

cute citation but it is a sweeping generalization. There are plenty of small businesses that take care of their employees. Yes they have challenges but so does large businesses and "unicorns". There is no perfect business to work for. You just need to avoid shitty ones and especially shitty bosses/managers.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps give them some flexibility if there's a technical co-founder as CTO. It depends on what the startup is working on. If it's trying to sell into the enterprise I'd be a lot more confident in its future if the CEO is heavily sales-focused provided there's also a technical co-founder keeping things sane on the tech side.

If there is a co-founder at all that’s much better than just a single person.

That's what I thought. I thought that the character of one would balance the other out in this case. (Not that there is any guarantee, of course.) I was wrong.

Bad leadership drives out good.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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This literally could have been written by any developer in the UK. I think most of us start out like this! I think the best one was a company I worked for in Leeds, it was building a secure learning platform for schools which ultimately fell flat on it's arse. The company was run by a self-made millionaire who was notorious for scamming people. He'd randomly lay off huge numbers of the sales team, and the first anyon…

> The company was run by a self-made millionaire who was notorious for scamming people. You knew this before going to work for him, and still went to work for him? What does that make you?

He doesn't explicitly say he knew of his notoriety when he joined and could very well have only discovered after. Alternatively given the economic circumstances he could have needed the job enough to take the risk. To be honest, your comment seems unnecessarily snide and mean spirited for no reason.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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There are lots of these half-arsed tiny tech companies in the UK (I've worked for a few). I wonder whether this is true all over the world, or is a peculiarity of the UK? It could be that we don't have a culture of VCs who would fund a company to the required scale and provide adult supervision. I remember when I ran a company, raising money or even getting a bank loan was impossible. (We just ran it on a shoestring…

They're even in Silicon Valley. Not every company can raise money. And even if they do, being able to raise money doesn't necessarily mean having the competence to run a software company well.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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I've noticed that many entrepreneurs have this immense drive and very little ethical/moral sense, and this helps them get by the most dire situations, where common people would simply give up, because they simply go on with a "fake it until you make it" mindset. Entering very dark grey areas and leaving a lot of bodies behind (figuratively speaking). There are the stupid ones of course that don't get far, but the sma…

“Entrepreneurs are not at all like ordinary businessmen. An entrepreneur who is not in trouble closes no avenues, keeps a lot of balls in the air, and will never tell you the whole truth when a half-truth will do. An entrepreneur who is in trouble will lie, cheat, and steal. He will smuggle cocaine or ship bricks. We should never measure an entrepreneur by the standards of a rock-solid businessman.” — attributed to K…

I don't tend to hold "rock-solid businessmen" in high regard either.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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I have an anecdote which I entitled "The Man Without Pants". It takes around 20 minutes to deliver but the gist is that I spent a month working for a man who had a peculiar dress code - and that wasn't even the weirdest thing about that place.

Please write a post about it. Sounds hilarious!

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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The first interview I had was a general developer job in a small company in Stockport – the job required Microsoft Access experience, and for some reason this was still something I considered myself to have, and was willing to promise to others I had, which baffles me now. I ended up having a really great chat with the company boss at the interview. He asked some great interview questions about data analysis, and we spent about 90 minutes in conversation – he was fascinated by what I’d studied at uni – particularly data visualisation and dynamical systems & chaos. I did get offered the job but he was too late – I’d already had my second interview and they asked me to start immediately.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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I know many will disagree, but working a few jobs like this seems to be a rite of passage in some industries. I had some similar jobs back when I had the spare energy and lack of responsibilities to tolerate it and I look back on the time more fondly than I should. I made some friends, learnt how (not) to treat and tolerate certain types of people, and seat-of-the-pants developing has its educational moments.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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This is hilarious, and sadly not that unusual. You really do meet some utter lunatics working in these sorts of agencies/software houses - it seems worse in the UK too.

My first job was in a "new media" agency in London in the late 90s and you're absolutely right. It was basically Nathan Barley but for real. There were employees who slept under their desks, job applicants who ran screaming from the building mid interview, egomaniacal bosses - the works. I lasted a month but it was hilarious in retrospect.
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