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Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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That’s misleading, gold ore can have an extremely high gold content. The comparison is to the minimum threshold for economic extraction and that’s from rocks via chemical leaching not electronics.

Ok, thank you. I went looking for the numbers before posting, but I mostly found the same "100 times" number repeated in different sources and decided to roll with it. Do you have some reference that could be used to inform instead?

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/022315/what-does-gr...

As to economic viability, 44g/ton is the highest grade bulk ore being extracted, but much lower concentrations can be viable. Heap leaching is pouring diluted sodium cyanide over a pile of crushed ore this cheaply processes vast quantities of material which scales based on how cheap it is to extract the ore from the ground. For example at current gold prices an open pit mine with ore concentrations of 1g/ton is likely viable, but the deeper the mine the more expensive extraction becomes. 4g/ton is roughly the minimum for traditional mining. Similarly the total quality of ore available must be large enough to justify associated investments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heap_leaching#Precious_metals

As to gold content of electronic waste “ The electronic waste gold contents vary from 80 to more than 800 parts-per-million (ppm), and silver contents range from 250–350 ppm; no gold or silver is observed in the automotive waste material.” https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40831-016-0051-y

Anyway, 1 g/ton is ~1ppm so the 100 times number is a reasonable ballpark compared to low grade ore. The issue is Heap leaching doesn’t work on electronic waste and open pit mines are extracting at 10$/ton where handling costs for e-waste is vastly higher.

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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For the competition that Biles competes in (all kinds of gymnastics) it is downright dangerous physically to compete without confidence because every small misstep can result in devastating injuries. That's not the case in many other sports.

We shouldn't have sports where you can increase your chances of winning by increasing your chances of becoming a quadriplegic or getting killed. Whether or not Biles should have pulled out of competition is moot, because her event(s) shouldn't exist in the first place.

Most (all?) sports increase the risk of injury when increasing the chance of winning. Running faster, jumping higher, etc... all increase the chance and severity of injury.

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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post #37

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I'm not sure where your jab at London taking govt funds came from. London, like most modern cities, generates a surplus that subsidizes surrounding suburban and rural areas[1]. It was still an awful waste of money, but it wasn't part of any trend. 1. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/23/uk-budget-d...

It comes from London frequently having money lavished on it that other areas don’t (eg - check public transport [1]) - and usually accompanied with a self-fulfilling prophecy about how other areas don’t generate tax income (which of course is because they don’t have good infra and investment). And this situation has been very much engineered by the UK government over the last 40 years, it isn’t some state of nature.…

I just want to chime in here and agree with this wholeheartedly.

There is a lot of self-fulfilment when it comes to London spending vs London generation of revenues.

It's famously the case that London props up almost the entire rest of the country. Scotland itself being a net-loss in terms of GDP.

I come from a City called Coventry, "investment" in the city is non-existent; the only investor right now is the University which has essentially bought the entire City over the last 10 years.

Why? Because "Coventry doesn't make money". Why does Coventry not make money? -- well, companies would never headquarter there because the infrastructure is not good enough and the networking connections are not compelling; even if you think it will save you money because it's cheaper to hire in Coventry (somewhere in the order of 1/3rd london salaries, 1/5th London commercial rents) it's still awkward because navigating the city requires making use of the awful public transport or buying a car[0] (which the city is close to capacity with already!)

Birmingham, Britains "second city" has only moderate investment compared to London (though insanely more than most other UK cities), but also feels destitute in the majority of areas, _especially_ when compared to London, the infrastructure is marginally better than Coventry but the prestige/networking/access is nearly no different.

This is many decades in the making, there is absolutely no way to compete with a city like London which is reaping the rewards of many decades of incredible investment which creates network effects which only serve to increase the gravitational pull of the city.

[0]: https://youtu.be/Mxvk3KO8p20

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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post #53

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And I admire Kerri Strug. The whole point of the Olympics is to transcend the limitations of your mind and body and not to succumb to them.

If you can't do that, is the olympic spirit to push anyway and damage yourself? Or is the olympic spirit to be honest with yourself and the rest of the world. I also think that this decision took a lot of bravery for Biles. And I admire her for that.

>If you can't do that, is the olympic spirit to push anyway and damage yourself?

Traditionally, yes. The Olympic spirit is to be willing to push yourself as hard as necessary, through anything, even to the point of death, to win the gold. Quitting only brings shame and disgrace to you and your country.

I agree with what Simone Biles did, and I don't think anyone can judge her - only she knows what her headspace and capabilities were - but it was absolutely against what the Olympic spirit is supposed to be. Olympic competition often serves as a form of neo-eugenic nationalist propaganda (that our nation and its values creates genetically superior people and potential combatants to yours.) Imagine the furor if this were the 1980s and Simone Biles had quit and a Soviet gymnast had won the gold medal. Everyone in the US would be calling her a traitor and a coward.

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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post #17

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Who?

Assuming this isn't a rhetorical question, Google is your friend here. OP wasn't making an obscure reference, her name is headline news around much of the world at the moment.

An in context explanation here would be much more valuable than sending all the readers on a google quest to figure it out.

To me (european, doesn't follow sports at all), the name is an obscure reference.

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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I feel like any article on the Olympics should mention that >80% of the Japanese population was against holding the Olympics [1]. And that in most respects it has be a disaster, I've lost count of the number of scandals and resignations... [2] Rather than being good PR for Japan, it feels like it's been overwhelmingly negative. On top of this, COVID19 infections are rapidly increasing (now at their highest level). Wh…

Olympics is such a massive waste of money that nobody except politicians who want to show off with taxpayer money or industrials benefiting from government contracts would be for it.

And NBC, they aren’t paying over 1 billion dollars per olympics just to not have the show go on.

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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Small details like this make my day. I also love how it was basically crowdfunded by Japanese people. It quite strenghtens the symbolic value of the medal I think.

Too bad they didn't crowdsource the decision about whether the olympics should happen this year: https://sports.yahoo.com/cancel-the-olympics-japanese-people...

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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post #38

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I remember a report on how Sydney was the only Olympics for a while that was net positive. Paris might also be, as they have very little new infra to build.

That's not correct. Sydney lost money, and Atlanta (4 years prior) made money: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_the_Olympic_Games

I am a bit split. If I’m reading it correctly, Wiki’s source is a journal’s comparing their simulation of what Sydney’s economy would have been without the Olympics, and the numbers published officially, with a twist on additional costs they think should be added to the official estimates.

> We simulated the behaviour of industries, households and government resulting from hosting the Games for each of eight Australian regions over the years from 1997 to 2005. Our results revealed that rather than producing an economic benefit the Sydney Games actually reduced Australian household consumption by $2.1 billion.

For comparison there are later reviews of the economics of the town with the 6 years after Olympics, with less simulation apparently, which come to a different conclusion https://repository.tcu.edu/handle/116099117/10360

I honestly don’t know which one is more trustworthy

Re: Medals at Tokyo olympics are recycled from discarded electronic equipment

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post #8

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Olympics is such a massive waste of money that nobody except politicians who want to show off with taxpayer money or industrials benefiting from government contracts would be for it.

Every Olympics held in the United States has been profitable for the host city (and all but one in Canada) in large part because the infrastructure already exists. Los Angeles is looking forward to having the games in 2028 because it gives them extra money to pay for infrastructure that they've been planning to build anyway. San Francisco really wanted the 2028 games as well because it would have allowed us to finish…

> Every Olympics held in the United States has been profitable for the host city (and all but one in Canada) in large part because the infrastructure already exists.

Do you have a source? From https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/economics-hosting-olympic-g...

> As a result, in 1979 Los Angeles was the only city to bid for the 1984 Summer Olympics, allowing it to negotiate exceptionally favorable terms with the International Olympic Committee (IOC).

> The 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles were the only games to produce a surplus, in large part because the city was able to rely on already existing infrastructure. As the costs of hosting have skyrocketed, revenues cover only a fraction of expenditures. Beijing’s 2008 Summer Olympics generated $3.6 billion in revenue, compared with over $40 billion in costs, and London’s Summer Games in 2012 generated $5.2 billion compared with $18 billion in costs. What’s more, much of the revenue doesn’t go to the host—the IOC keeps more than half of all television revenue, typically the single largest chunk of money generated by the games.

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