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All WHO approved vaccines? I'm thinking of leaving the country to try to get an inactive virus vaccine. I don't let anyone else run RNA code in my cells. The attack surface is too large.
They already run someone else's RNA code when you get infected by any random virus.
From what I understand Google is known as a company with a "liberal" culture.
Is demanding employees accept one side of an argument and adhere to it (or face the consequences) contrary to the definition of "liberal"?
That's the problem with Western politics. Liberal vs. conservative is no longer about how permissive we are with ideas and unpopular opinions. It's about what subset of ideas we accept.
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My only issue is with this line: >> employees could continue working from home through Oct. 18. I agree that they should mandate vaccines for in office. But if they do so, I don't think they should force people into the office.
"Mandate" means something very different when performed by a private employer than by a government entity. In the former case it means something like "make continued employment conditional upon." Google employees are perfectly free to decide they're no longer satisfied with the conditions of their employment and find new jobs elsewhere instead. Edited to add: In terms of whether Google "should" do so, I assume they'v…
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Have we had any other mRNA based vaccines in the past? (genuinely curious)
There are vaccines you can get that aren't mRNA based.
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Why are the major COVID-19 vaccines still under FDA emergency use authorization guidelines? What's preventing the FDA from dropping those special rules and treating the vaccine like every other vaccine?
Because full authorization takes time. The speed in rolling out emergency use vaccination was by the book. Speeding up full authorization would not be.
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There's been nearly 4 billion shots delivered across the world in the past 8 months. I suspect if they were to cause great harm, we would have known by now.
Some vaccines take years or even decades to show harm. See Air Force pilots and Anthrax vaccine history. Rare but devastating consequences. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the covid vax. I got Pfizer myself as soon as it was available. But there is still room for doubt.
No one has said the vaccine is 100% safe, it does list side effects after all, but this whole notion of "I'm waiting until all the data is out/it's only approved for emergency use" is just nonsensical.
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Yes, your body your choice, and also your employer your choice. I prefer to flip the script here: none of your coworkers chose to be subjected to someone who is unvaccinated, increasing their risk.
What other characteristics is it ok to use to determine who can earn a living or not?
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I too think it's great when an employer with all the power forces employees to submit to medical procedures against their will in order to continue earning a living. My body my choice, right? Wow, I've never gotten a comment flagged in my years of being here, let alone within minutes! Good to see this a fruitful unbiased discussion forum.
This is what happens when you fetishize corporatism and jail and silence people who have been critical of capitalism. Would people be up to seize the means of production now? Or would we still keep arguing that companies can do whatever they want?
I'm sure many people will respond to this saying "they don't need to turn over their full medical history!" but once we turn over a part of it, they will want the next part, and the next, its inevitable. There will always be a safety and security justification.
And what of remote workers? A fully remote employee exposes zero company employees to risk. But they will be mandated to have a vaccine?
Why must we always lose one more right each day?
Edit: Apparently you receive proof of vaccination for the current COVID vaccines in the US. But isn't that still sharing part of your medical history? I have never once been asked a single question about my medical history during a job interview.
As then, it's also now very hard for me to remain non-biased: how can ultimatums demanding mass conformity be the only way for such a technically advanced civilization to 'be productive'? What are the serious counterarguments against the idea that even today, huge effort is invested in the subtle yet solid control of the individual?