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No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by mattmanser »

capybara_2020 wrote: post #35

Can someone help me understand the no-code movement and what supposedly has changed in the last few years? I know Microsoft tried to allow non-developers to create apps without developers, and they have been trying for decades. But failed! They built an app that allowed you to drag and drop blocks, and they tried a visual query builder(not sure what the exact name was) for SQL. They added a workflow builder to ShareP…

Not just MS, RAD tools were the big thing about 20 years ago

Total failure,

From reading the comments here, sounds like the no-code, the rebranded RAD, has the exact same problems again.

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Post by feoren »

neatze wrote: post #31

Are they competing with excel ? ;)

People writing programs in Excel while telling themselves that's not what they're doing is part of the problem. Excel is absolutely a programming environment; it is not a no-code solution! I'm not even talking about VBA: it's a 2D programming language (with a limited 3rd dimension in tabs) with great REPL support, integrated data, strong statistical and financial built-ins, and awful everything else.

Programming is just the act of solving problems in a repeatable way using computers. Excel is programming. I've seen plenty of Excel formulas that would make experienced programmers shy away.

This just makes the no-code movement look even stupider. The entire movement is predicated on selling to clueless vice presidents who have no idea what their expensive programmers are actually doing.

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Post by ghuntley »

breck wrote: post #57
_carbyau_ wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have seen simple things in Open Source Programs that I know I could track down and fix. Off by one errors, modulus stuff and such. Do open source projects have an obvious "run this script to configure your complete dev environment in respect to this project" ? I would be happy to spin up a new VM for every project on that basis.

GitPod.io I was waiting for something like this for years, it’s great.

Try it out https://Gitpod.io#https://GitHub.com/gitpod-io/website

PS. If you aren't impressed by a JavaScript app then take Kubernetes for a spin!

https://github.com/gitpod-io/template-k3s :-)

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Post by kfk »

lucasverra wrote: post #69
deeviant wrote: post #10

I think the biggest problem with this approach is at some point, they necessarily reach a level of complexity that it takes the same amount of time to learn how to use their "no-code" tools than it does to just learn how to code.

Simply not true. I’ve been programming with bubble from “technical aware founder PM/founder” and bubble is liberating. In the past i’ve built a webapp that : - Renders desktop - Renders mobile - store in database - after a conditional form - create a complex journey of to do list with defaults based on answers of previous cond. form - connects to an external system with cron daily - sends email daily from backend - u…

Most of the time I spend with devs is figuring out objects and their respective data models. Low code is great but it sure doesn’t save 10x on resources, not for me at least.

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Post by dbt00 »

capybara_2020 wrote: post #35

Can someone help me understand the no-code movement and what supposedly has changed in the last few years? I know Microsoft tried to allow non-developers to create apps without developers, and they have been trying for decades. But failed! They built an app that allowed you to drag and drop blocks, and they tried a visual query builder(not sure what the exact name was) for SQL. They added a workflow builder to ShareP…

Visual Basic was incredibly successful. From VB3 adding database support until VB6-ish started integrating with .NET, 10s of millions of developers built applications that you've just never heard of.

What killed RAD tools was the web, not them being a failure.

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Post by jcheng »

mrspeaker wrote: post #48
deeviant wrote: post #10

I think the biggest problem with this approach is at some point, they necessarily reach a level of complexity that it takes the same amount of time to learn how to use their "no-code" tools than it does to just learn how to code.

It works best for prototyping and rapidly testing ideas. I joined a startup that didn't have any deep coding skills - but had a great idea and vision for a product. They had made a pretty decent prototype with Bubble and could quickly implement suggestions from the beta testers. When I joined I instantly suggested re-writing it in a "real" stack. But when I dived into it, there was a lot of built in features of Bubbl…

Thank you for a strikingly helpful testimonial. I’m skeptical of no- and low-code but based on your account, I’m now intrigued enough to give bubble a look.

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by deepstack »

Yeah there is also stuff like ionic, even Vue has something like that with GUI. With stuff like this is great to prototype create a MPV. Machine generated code is hard for humane to debug, at some point, it will hit a limit that becomes harder and harder to debug and make changes.
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