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Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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>Unfortunately, listening has much higher friction than reading. Sure, for a minority of consumers like yourself. However, for most people that make up the mass audience... they do not like to read long-form text whether it is articles in Vanity Fair, The Atlantic or books. Yes, people would rather read the text of a temperature and weather forecast on their smartphone -- instead of listen to a long-winded presentati…

So how does clubhouse change the game? We already have youtube and podcasts. You can listen to Joe Rogan over bluetooth in your car. You can even ask Siri to play it. What is clubhouse doing that makes it easier to access or produce high word count content in audio form? How is clubhouse helping creators monetize their content? Why would I go to clubhouse instead of patreon for the type of content you describe? Not a…

Not a clubhouse expert but it seems clubhouse is better for “spontaneous” conversations/talks, as in I don’t have to upload it as a podcast perhaps do post-processing etc to get my content out.

It also allows you to promote your audience to speakers so it’s more of an interactive podcasts, so you can actually ask questions to a panel or the speaker.

Again, haven’t used it much but this is what I understand Clubhouse brings to the table.

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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ClubHouse has been the generator of profound experiences for me.

Day before yesterday, I got to take part in a session with the discoverer of 2014 UN271 with a physicist and an ex-JPLer. It took some wrangling to get everyone together, but the conversation was stimulating. We touched on the possible origin of the object, improving the algorithms, the discovery process for making a groundbreaking find etc.

While we were having our discussion, a very senior NASA official stopped by. After listening for some time, the official came up on stage. We ended up discussing the possibility of a mission to capture samples in aerogel for this object like NASA's Stardust project. We have about a decade before it reaches its perihelion, so we have some time to figure out what to shoot at it to get as many samples as we can.

It felt awe inspiring to sit there and watch people connect. And actually talk about something that matters with people who can do something about it.

I have no doubt that as ClubHouse grows, these moments will become rarer. There's already change in the air. The community is responding organically. The vast majority of rooms on CH aren't public. Most of the interesting rooms in my "hallway" are private and amongst busy people leading active intellectual lives who are seeking to connect in the least obtrusive way possible.

Furthermore, ClubHouse usage seems to be highly network dependent. There are some people for whom it is incredibly sticky. There are others for whom it just doesn't stick. However, I've noticed that despite Twitter Spaces, Greenroom etc. more people seem to have been sticking with ClubHouse than other platforms. And I suspect that's because of the very subtle + clever product decisions the ClubHouse team has made.

For e.g., Spotify's Greenroom has a "gems" systems, and the platform quickly devolved into people giving each other "gems" for being on stage etc. I suspect this is meant for monetization later on. But it made the conversations feel less organic. And the app seems to be a mild ghost town now. (as you can't make rooms privately, when I last checked - and you had to do it under a public topic, I couldn't find any activity on there).

Twitter's Spaces also has similar issues with retention, though the cause there is more complicated. We explored it more heavily, and it wasn't sticky in the same way ClubHouse was.

There is usually a reason why these things get valued at absurd amounts. Some of it is the broader asset bubble. A lot of it is irrational exuberance. But there has to be something to be exuberant about.

Few people believe me when I tell them this, but if you're the right kind of person, there's something here. The people who love this thing love it a lot. And the experiences it produces are magic.

I got to do a discussion with someone who worked in the early new space industry, in the early '00s, right after Virgin Galactic's flight. His friends died to make new space a reality. And it was one of the most moving things I've experienced. I cried when he talked about their sacrifice. And how it was a step towards a better future for all humankind.

However, at the same time, the company has made many missteps. Discovery sucks. My talk with the discoverer of the largest comet ever found, the senior NASA official, and a bunch of very well informed physicists and space nerds barely cracked 30 listeners. Other times, a topic might skyrocket and end up getting 400+. The application succeeds in creating interesting experiences. But it fails to surface them. A lot of manual tuning is required.

The end of the invite-only system was short-sighted. It gave ClubHouse the unique ability to nuke trolls, fake accounts, and their enablers by looking at the social graph of who invited whom. They seem to have given this up in exchange for rapid growth.

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Clubhouse is a strange case of hype app which deliveries basically nothing. I got a invite and I have been testing it for a while, but for me the main problems with clubhouse are: - lack of a better algorithm on club tab - lack of interaction: it has not chat for listeners. - too much marketing as the article well said - boring people - not inclusive. How does deaf people can use it? Clubhouse could have better featu…

> - not inclusive. How does deaf people can use it?

Wasn't Clubhouse iOS only at the start?

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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The PR success may be the problem. Once something is "the next big thing," people jump in for that reason, which isn't a great reason. At that point, you have a lot of people there randomly just for the sake of it... trying to "succeed at clubhouse" in the abstract, rather than do something they themselves find compelling. That said, I don't think the concept is the problem. Live is compelling. Look at twitch, youtub…

Facebook suffered from get rich quick con artists in it’s early days? I don’t think so. FB required you to be a student at a high school or college to participate.

Youtube and podcasts are a better radio because they leverage technology to make content more broadly available and in new media forms and persistently. Nobody listened to radio because they thought they were part of an exclusive fireside chat. It’s because it was the only medium available. IMO without persistent content, without creator platforming and monetization tools, clubhouse is a regression.

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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I've been having fun with Clubhouse, spent the last 3 weeks integrating it with GPT-3 and Google Speech. https://github.com/thomasdavis/omega Writing a blog post at the moment to post on HN this week. Draft: https://lordajax.com/post/Omega-Clubhouse-GPT-3-bot/

You could turn it into Lenny Bot 2.0 to further frustrate marketing callers.

[NSFW] Alice from Your Debt Relief Program tells Lenny to f--k himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3qAItE7lxw

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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What did "marketers" do to actually ruin everything? Why can't people just accept the fact that it was just hyped up by some people with a lot of media exposure at the right time: namely when Robinhood VS /r/wallstreetbets was kicking in and people got access to a bit of backstage/roasting, and everyone wanted to be part of it with the whole exclusive invites deal. People felt like they were special because they had…

One might argue this was their “viral” marketing strategy and hence may deserve some blame for ruining things. Large VC shops are basically marketing engines for their portfolio companies.

But wasn't that the end game of the app?

Or that app should have remained exclusive to some users? What users? Who would be the judge of that?

Just multi millionaires? Just founders? Or tech people? I don't even know what "tech people" means.

Even so, if it was supposed to be like that: what would be the appeal for those users if they didn't had access large audiences listening to them? If they want exclusive talks they can just pickup the phone and get any number. Elon wouldn't be roasting Vlad if he didn't get a large audience listening.

People were joining because they wanted to be one of the few that had access to Clubhouse, even if they didn't listen to a single talk.

That's not marketing, that's just the status quo. Clubhouse, crypto, pokemon cards, Supreme, a ride on a rocket to space, you name it.

If they wanted exclusivity for rich people they could have charged 5k USD/year subscription, that would thin it out.

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ClubHouse has been the generator of profound experiences for me. Day before yesterday, I got to take part in a session with the discoverer of 2014 UN271 with a physicist and an ex-JPLer. It took some wrangling to get everyone together, but the conversation was stimulating. We touched on the possible origin of the object, improving the algorithms, the discovery process for making a groundbreaking find etc. While we we…

Great story.

I've had plenty of similar experiences, I've connected with more relevant people in a couple months than I have in years.

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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So how does clubhouse change the game? We already have youtube and podcasts. You can listen to Joe Rogan over bluetooth in your car. You can even ask Siri to play it. What is clubhouse doing that makes it easier to access or produce high word count content in audio form? How is clubhouse helping creators monetize their content? Why would I go to clubhouse instead of patreon for the type of content you describe? Not a…

Not a clubhouse expert but it seems clubhouse is better for “spontaneous” conversations/talks, as in I don’t have to upload it as a podcast perhaps do post-processing etc to get my content out. It also allows you to promote your audience to speakers so it’s more of an interactive podcasts, so you can actually ask questions to a panel or the speaker. Again, haven’t used it much but this is what I understand Clubhouse…

Sure but the argument in the comment I was responding to was “look at all this long-form produced spoken content, clubhouse can tap that”. I don't experience much (any) spontaneous short form spoken content on the internet. The interactive element is interesting if that can somehow become relevant.

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> I heard him make the claim that Clubhouse has bigger potential than text-based social platforms, because talking has less friction than writing Finding people that talk about stuff is one thing, finding people who like to listen to other people talking is the other. Unfortunately, listening has much higher friction than reading.

>Unfortunately, listening has much higher friction than reading. Sure, for a minority of consumers like yourself. However, for most people that make up the mass audience... they do not like to read long-form text whether it is articles in Vanity Fair, The Atlantic or books. Yes, people would rather read the text of a temperature and weather forecast on their smartphone -- instead of listen to a long-winded presentati…

I think you're incorrect/dated about what you consider to be the modern medium for engagement with "long-form high-word-count content."

Beyond engaging with blog posts, or podcasts, or Twitch-style livestreams, the real #1 way people are consuming long-form content these days, is serialized — i.e. as "tweetstorms" or their AV equivalent in Instagram/TikTok. Pre-prepared, granularized "bites" of a long-form piece, that are pushed out one-at-a-time — and engaged with one-at-a-time between other things, as time permits, if you're consuming them "live" — but which also permit/encourage all-at-once consumption if you find them after-the-fact.

There is a reason people use Twitter for blogging, rather than "just having a blog." And that reason is that readers are able to concurrently engage with several ongoing text threads at once, if presented serialized in this manner, in a way that they would find harder to, if presented long-form, or impossible, if presented in a higher-engagement medium like voice or video.

And when readers are able to concurrently engage with several ongoing threads at once, they become willing to consume threads that, in a "consume all-at-once" medium, would never be able to "win" their full attention. Authors can settle for being the thing everyone is scheduling into their #2 or #3 or #5 attention-slot, rather than their #1 attention-slot, and still get engagement based on that.

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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ClubHouse has been the generator of profound experiences for me. Day before yesterday, I got to take part in a session with the discoverer of 2014 UN271 with a physicist and an ex-JPLer. It took some wrangling to get everyone together, but the conversation was stimulating. We touched on the possible origin of the object, improving the algorithms, the discovery process for making a groundbreaking find etc. While we we…

Great story. I've had plenty of similar experiences, I've connected with more relevant people in a couple months than I have in years.

Feel free to hit me up :)
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