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You are not allowed to submit a web browser to the app store with your own javascript interpreter.
There's no firefox on iOS?
Apple let’s you take the naked core of safari, stripped of chrome, and slap a skin on top.
iDOS 2 will be gone soon
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Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon
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iOS users have mostly chosen to accept the walled garden. If they hadn’t, they would be android users.
This assumes that users understand the implications of the garden they're buying into. For many there may be a strong bandwagon effect, and they don't fully grasp what they are losing.
What I don't understand is why so many devs choose to accept Apple's rules. These devs know full well that they will likely be f***** over like this in the end. Yet they still give Apple their business.
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I don't do anything. It's a phone, not a PC. I got an iPhone because it does what it does well, and doesn't do other things at all. iPhones are slick, costly and secure, at the cost of not being malleable. It's a trade-off I made at purchase time and I know most users of both iPhone and Android never considered that tradeoff.
If apple allowed me to install a different store or easily side load you wouldn’t be negatively impacted
That is just not true, though. If Apple allowed different stores, then software would migrate to those different stores for various reasons, but probably because they had less restrictions. That would force you to install those less secure stores to use that software, and you would give up the security you gain from Apple taking a hard line on many kinds of bad behaviour on their own store.
Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon
#74These rules are applied selectively. I know very popular apps that are loading interpreted code over https and executing it. Also, these same apps are exploiting a flaw in iOS in order to track users across apps and using the interpreted code to hide this.
Those apps are definitely in direct violation of app store rules, and would be removed if they were detected. If they have not been removed, it is because they were successful in hiding their rule breaking.
Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon
#75When I was younger, my family couldn’t afford a laptop, but I have the distinct memory of wanting to learn to code on the iPads at my school, and being unable to find any app which would let me just write and execute programs. Looking around the App Store now, there do seem to be a couple of apps which would allow this, but it’s still really disappointing to see this kind of removal. The majority of kids these days w…
The next update to Swift Playgrounds is supposed to allow full iOS app development and submission to the App Store with no Mac involved. Look also at Pythonista and a-shell for useful, if limited, programming environments. Both work by translating code into JS or wasm.
> The next update to Swift Playgrounds is supposed to allow full iOS app development…
May or may not be pedantry, but it’s not allowing the UIKit APIs, only SwiftUI. Still possible to make a full app, but on top of the IDE features that it lacks from Xcode, it’s specifically shutting out important parts of current iOS app development in 2021.
That’s not to say there’s not good reasons for it too, but it’s worth pointing out.
Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon
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The next update to Swift Playgrounds is supposed to allow full iOS app development and submission to the App Store with no Mac involved. Look also at Pythonista and a-shell for useful, if limited, programming environments. Both work by translating code into JS or wasm.
> The next update to Swift Playgrounds is supposed to allow full iOS app development… May or may not be pedantry, but it’s not allowing the UIKit APIs, only SwiftUI. Still possible to make a full app, but on top of the IDE features that it lacks from Xcode, it’s specifically shutting out important parts of current iOS app development in 2021. That’s not to say there’s not good reasons for it too, but it’s worth point…
FWIW, Swift Playgrounds currently allows apps to load any library–I would be surprised to see technical restrictions preventing the use of UIKit. App review might not like it, but other than that it doesn't seem like there would be much stopping it.
Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
This assumes that users understand the implications of the garden they're buying into. For many there may be a strong bandwagon effect, and they don't fully grasp what they are losing.
What I don't understand is why so many devs choose to accept Apple's rules. These devs know full well that they will likely be f***** over like this in the end. Yet they still give Apple their business.
Because people use iOS devices, and they want these apps.
Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon
#78FastCompany’s Harry McCracken and How to Geek worked together to publish an article on how to run windows 3.1 using iDOS 2 (and all your old games) on 12 July [0]. It his Mac news sites the same day. TWiT talked about running Win 3.1 and TRS-80 on iPad on 18 July [1].
The popularity of these articles and podcast may have shined a light on this bit of hackery. It sucks it is getting booted, but it’s largely interesting because it allowed you to do the thing Apple doesn’t want you to do.
[0] https://www.howtogeek.com/739100/how-to-install-windows-31-o...
Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon
#79These stupid limitation by Apple makes me really hope that there will be real competition in the tablet space. Android tablets basically failed because most apps are just bit phone apps. Windows tablet aren’t that successful either.
The thing is iPads offer good experience as a tablet but when you want from it a bit more Apple doesn’t allow it because of their Apps Store policies.
Personally I think iPad could be a great device for coding on the go. But the fact that we can’t install anything outside of apple’s control blocks this option.
RDP or SSH is nice but it relies on internet connection. I’d like to use the native power of the device. With M1 there’s no reason it wouldn’t be able to do so.
Their arguments about security to sounds more like bunch of excuses.
Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon
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If apple allowed me to install a different store or easily side load you wouldn’t be negatively impacted
That is just not true, though. If Apple allowed different stores, then software would migrate to those different stores for various reasons, but probably because they had less restrictions. That would force you to install those less secure stores to use that software, and you would give up the security you gain from Apple taking a hard line on many kinds of bad behaviour on their own store.
But that software is clearly stuff you don't want and aren't interested in since it breaks Apple's restrictions so what's the problem? Just learn to live without it just like you've learned to live without emulators, IDEs, etc. in the App Store already.
Users that want the choice can choose. Devs that want the choice can choose. You can stay in your walled garden. And considering the uptake of alternate app stores on Android this seems like FUD to me.