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Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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As a practicing visual artist / art school hippie who recently got into working as a software engineer I got really excited when I saw this, noted problems aside. But I wasn't surprised to see it was limited to UI/UX. I'm having a really hard time finding other art school grads and visual artists working on the engineering side of tech and it's starting to make me feel a little crazy. Does anyone have any suggestions…

Hey, lets link up. Does HN have dm's?

lol, if only? :^p

I recently set up a little discord community and corresponding github repo for a couple of other artists trying to break into tech to share resources, connect etc. Hit me up on there or github for sure!

https://discord.gg/3vdb6rk24D | https://github.com/tombetthauser/artists-in-tech-resources

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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I feel UI designers are all imposters pretending that their job is some kind of ultra high value skill set. The UI designer is an important job but to compare it to a still life painting? Laughable.

Literally, that still life painting takes 1000x more skill to render than arranging text, pictures and geometric elements on a website. ANYONE can arrange these elements on a website in a pleasing way. It takes time and effort to consider the best way to arrange these elements but it doesn't take extraordinary talent to do this... anyone can do it.

Mind you there are some programmers that are really inept at all forms of "art" but this post isn't direct at those people. On average arranging text in a pleasing way is a trivial exercise. Adding this "color" and "depth" theory on top of it (there's no real science theory here) is just pretentious. Yes these "theories" are sort of applicable but at the same time "what just looks good" also works just as well.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Impostor syndrome is a prerequisite for getting a job these days. Companies only want to hire people who feel like frauds and investors like to invest in people who feel like fraud. Since companies can't actually advertise that they're looking to hire fraudsters, they have to settle for the next closest thing: People who feel like frauds.

Source?

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

#74

I feel UI designers are all imposters pretending that their job is some kind of ultra high value skill set. The UI designer is an important job but to compare it to a still life painting? Laughable. Literally, that still life painting takes 1000x more skill to render than arranging text, pictures and geometric elements on a website. ANYONE can arrange these elements on a website in a pleasing way. It takes time and e…

This is unbelievably arrogant. Where is your UI portfolio?

If UI design were easy, we wouldn't have garbage UIs all over the place.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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I think people underestimate how UI aesthetics actually improve user experience. I remember when I was younger it was a lot easier to be more productive and creative with Pages, Numbers, Keynote than their competitors (this was when they were still skeuomorphic). The pretty UI genuinely motivated and inspired me, to an extent that I actually noticed. I really believe it helped start projects easier and work on them l…

Material design is like the design of a typical hotel room. It aims to accommodate everyone. It aims to be a temporary home for everyone and a permanent home for no-one. Hardly anyone would actively choose to make such a clinical, impersonal, unopinionated environment their home. That's what happened with user interfaces when software ate the world – once the UI designers tried to reach everyone, be the place for eve…

I really enjoyed this comment. I wish new software was weird, I want software that looks bizarre, stuff that is almost nonsensical until you try to use it and realize it makes you feel good. Everything feels the same today because of hotel room design.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Within the context of contemporary art, UI design and artists are at complete odds with each other.

Afaik, contemporary art deliberately rejects art as a tool for expression of traditional aesthetics, utilitarian maximization or broad appeal to the untested eye. Commentary, metaphor and art as a reaction to other art is the norm. None of these trainings lend themselves well to UI Design which is fundamentally about aesthetics facilitating function.

IMO, architects would make for great UI designers, as it is another profession that mandates a level of function from the art. They also tend to be quite comfortable with complex software work due to common architectural tools. (a couple of my friends did make the architecture -> UX design transition, and are quite happy)

Software engineers are famously stubborn when it comes to their aesthetics. One may say they're sensitive to aesthetics. But IMO, it is more that they're willing to put in a lot of time to learn abstruse interaction patterns and will defend them to death, irrespective of their general purpose appeal or intuitiveness. Git and Vim are amazing examples. Nothing against the tools. But if they needed widespread adoption from the populace then they'd be dead in the water on day 1. (They are amazing despite their terrible UX, not because of it)

I like to believe that I am quite sensitive to aesthetics and a well designed UI can elevate a mediocre tool to near unbeatable in their competition space. (The financial planning tool someone posted a few days ago on HN is a great example of UI/UX done right)

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On another note:

Being an artist is also about status and class. Tech is the Noveau-Riche of this half-century. It is the lowest status thing you can be.

We see it all the time. Tech bros are the butt of every joke and their hobbies/culture/lifestyles are widely mocked. You never see the same level of disdain towards lawyers in DC or finance bros in NYC as you see for tech people in places like Seattle. It doesn't help that the demographic is generally male, traditionally unattractive, nerdy and socially awkward. (This is slowly changing, but not quickly enough. The appeal of tech to a certain demographic also isn't necessarily a bad thing. I will concede that very likely other professions have occupied this same chair in different eras)

The only company that manages to look cool to artists is Apple, and they are very careful about hiding that they are a tech company first, rather preferring to highlight themselves as a fashion company. (The fictionalized steve jobs founding myth also helps a lot)

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I would love to see more artists come into tech with a mindset of cooperation and good faith towards the community than disdain and disruption. Maybe we'll see truly great UI design.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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This article title is kind of hilarious given that yesterday I learnt that Twitter is currently de-emphasizing the display of tweets with links to Patreon in them, thus making it harder for artists to grow their financial support. The tech world will happily use our work to keep people scrolling their endless ad spigots, but the minute we ask people to leave and give some money to us ? Nothing. So come join the tech…

Do you have a link to an article on that? Would love to check it out.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That just sounds like a lack of confidence. If you aren't an imposter, why would you call it imposter syndrome?

>If you aren't an imposter, why would you call it imposter syndrome? Couldn't you say this about the names of various psychological syndromes? "If you aren't Alice in Wonderland, why would you call it Alice in Wonderland syndrome?" It's referring to the person's subjective experience, from their (perhaps warped) point of view.

Both imposter syndrome and alice in wonderland syndrome have the individual feeling like an imposter/alice in wonderland in this case?

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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As a practicing visual artist / art school hippie who recently got into working as a software engineer I got really excited when I saw this, noted problems aside. But I wasn't surprised to see it was limited to UI/UX. I'm having a really hard time finding other art school grads and visual artists working on the engineering side of tech and it's starting to make me feel a little crazy. Does anyone have any suggestions…

So what happened to me was I started working in film and TV production, and as things became more complicated I had to start writing scripts to automate our pipelines, building servers to share files and track equipment. But most of the time when I use the computer, it's to teach it how to help me make films faster. Most of the tools I write don't have any kind of visual UI components beyond how the documentation is typeset.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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art is often a political choice to prioritize something above money. so its entirely antithetical to lots of people to do what your suggesting. though there's always the urge to sell out to some degree. but this kinda shit comes off like a religious person telling you to join their religion. "tech" in its modern conception is more about money than anything, which often results in extremely lame stuff. you feel sorry for artists who are poor, but they might feel sorry for you because what you do is so lame.
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