Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

For example, if you work for musescore... ;)

if you want to work towards any resolution you must always assume good faith, otherwise why even bother talking to them.

There's no name calling in there, only factually accurate descriptions.

scumbag is name calling. whether it's justified is irrelevant. again, you must always assume good faith, otherwise there is no point in interacting at all.

> you are closing the door to any sort of constructive resolution

No. Let's be honest here: Muse did that when they blocked me initially.

before that you accused them of including spyware. that's where you closed the door to a constructive response. yes, you were asking the community if they agree with that interpretation. but you asked it in front of the core developers. not the right place for that question. and it wasn't clear enough that that was your question.

> i don't even know what you are asking there, and what kind of answer you expect from the developers.

I've addressed this in my other comments here.

yes, saw that. clear now. i wasn't able to see that from your initial message.

But I'd also point out that the reactions from the community are overwhelmingly in agreement with my assessment.

that doesn't excuse the tone. and that is not just addressed to you but to everyone who is just yelling at the developers instead of constructively pointing out the errors of their ways.

> if we want to resolve this we, as concerned users, need to voice our concerns in such a way that the developers actually have a chance to make the necessary corrections and regain our trust.

Again, you're assuming good faith where it's very clear that none exists. I'd argue that if we want to resolve this we, as concerned users, need to support an audacity fork ASAP.

then do that and be done with it. if there is no point in talking to the original developers then why do it? especially in that tone?

the civil thing would have been to just go with one of the forks and make statements like: "i supporting this fork because i disagree with the direction of development in audacity. the fork is removing any telemetry and related features because those are not welcome" there. end of story. nothing else is needed to add.

You have clearly not looked into this situation in enough depth. Muse have had and squandered multiple opportunities to regain our trust.

i am not disputing any of the accusations made against them. i take issue with the form and the tone in which those accusations are being made.

if you want the developers and owners of audacity to listen, then walk away from their project, and make it clear that they are loosing their userbase. but don't yell at them. that's not helping. i would not listen to that. and i don't expect them to listen to that either.

Some morals are fairly universal. For instance, there aren't many people who would argue that (unprovoked) murder is ethical.

I believe that this is a pretty clear-cut example of behaviour which can factually and accurately be described as unethical.

I believe that that interpretation would be supported by most decent human beings who actually looked into the matter and made an objective judgement.

I'd love to and have repeatedly called to hear from anyone who has an alternate set of ethics or an explanation for how the described behaviour doesn't qualify as unethical (and thus qualify for the term "scumbag").

Nobody has taken me up on this and provided such a view. Which tends to reinforce my position that no such view exists.

>That's like arguing "which exact IQ value (with 2 decimal places) does somebody need to categorically exclude the term 'idiot'".

Uh... you know that "idiot" was originally a medical term which would have had a pretty clear definition right along the lines of "anybody below X IQ" (with two zeroes in your requisite decimal places, I expect), right?

It would seem you've undermined your own argument by your choice of example.

>"how can I prevent these miscommunications."

Oh I'm waaaaay ahead of you there. The discussion on my submission has indeed been interesting and enlightening. I was quite taken aback by the amount of people who assumed that my initial question was rhetorical. Particularly given that I had specifically addressed that in the issue i raised. Technically, this is a mass-violation of the HN rules, which say you should assume good faith. (Not that I'd bother to do anything about it, unlike the people who flagged a bunch of my comments).

But none of that that makes any difference to the facts of the matter or the unethical behaviour in question.

>You're not talking to compilers where you can look up the formal grammar and semantics and then say "well it says right here in the spec that I was right after all". Especially not when you want to argue the definition of subjective insults like "scumbag".

I disagree. Words have meaning. People should take the time to parse the sentences they're reading. And this seems pretty clear cut to me. Nobody has taken me up by providing anything like a justification for these actions which could be interpreted in any other way.

Scumbag: n. A person regarded as despicable.

Despicable: adj. Deserving of contempt or scorn; vile.

If nobody can give me a justification for why these actions don't deserve contempt, then the word "scumbag" is purely descriptive. It's not even an insult, just a fact.

>The term itself is used to communicate opinion and sentiment, not fact.

As I just mentioned, that's not how I was using it. I argue that it is a statement of fact, and I have (repeatedly) solicited and indeed welcome dissenting opinions. So far I see a grand total of zero such opinions.

>So when someone takes issue with your use of it, they likely have issue with the tone or sentiment of a message, not with some objective fact about it.

tbh I'm not really all that interested in what people think of my tone. Facts are infinitely more important. If someone has an issue with my tone, then I'd suggest not engaging in the discussion. Or meditation. Or mood stabilisers. Or a plugin to replace nasty words they don't like ("it", for example) with something else. Or disconnecting from the Internet. I've got better things to do with my time than trying to anticipate what words people I've never met will like or dislike. If you take offense at the tone of something I say, then frankly (and I do wish there was a nicer way of saying this, but:) that's your problem, not mine.