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Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by bawolff » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 5:35 AM UTC

Manuel_D wrote: post #54

rorykoehler wrote: post #48

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I can't understand your position. OF is designed in such a way that it perpetuates certain types of behaviour. You can't hand wave away TOS transgressions when the whole system is setup for weirdo's to easily and repeatedly break the TOS.

It's not just TOS violations. Accounts getting hacked, unless there was a vulnerability on the company's side, is totally nonsensical to blame on the company. They have the ability to set up MFA but the creator didn't use it. And this happens on non-adult platforms, too.

There's more to account security than allowing 2fa.

Maybe onlyfans does these things (i have no idea) and its not 100%, people will still get hacked but things that come to mind:

* have educational material on how to secure your account (they probably have the only audience in the world that would actually read something like that)

* rate limits/login captcha/etc

*Handle suspicious logins (diff geoip) differently

* password requirements (not the stupid one symbol thing, but the ban every password that has ever appeared in haveibeenpwnd version)

*making it easier for people with hacked accounts to get meaningful help. Response is just as important as prevention.

*mandatory 2fa (people who willingly use 2fa are usually people who have strong passwords and benefit the least)

Onlyfans is in an industry with a higher threat profile than average tech company, they should have a higher account security standard.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by pcbro141 » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 5:36 AM UTC

jollybean wrote: post #63

pcbro141 wrote: post #58

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Not surprised. I would just assume eventually some sexually frustrated person would try to doxx you at some point. I think there are even organized groups dedicated to doing just that. Sexually frustrated/not getting laid + seeing women making money off their sexuality ('unfair') makes some of these people incredibly angry.

This is a neat idea, but hugely speculative. But also possibly be besides the point: the internet doesn't keep secrets. A choice to put content out there in public form, is de-facto a choice to make it available to anyone. Whether they paid the $10 or not. That's a reality that has to be contended with wherever someone sits on the fence about the morality of it all.

Not speculating, the group I'm referring to openly stated they thought it was unfair how much power women wield in the sexual marketplace and how they can be allowed to make money off their sex appeal.

I totally agree the content creators should assume the content will remain public forever and they will be doxxed at some point.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by eh9 » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 5:37 AM UTC

pseudo0 wrote: post #68

pcbro141 wrote: post #58

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Not surprised. I would just assume eventually some sexually frustrated person would try to doxx you at some point. I think there are even organized groups dedicated to doing just that. Sexually frustrated/not getting laid + seeing women making money off their sexuality ('unfair') makes some of these people incredibly angry.

The problem is that those people are the "whales" for these content creators. Normal people with healthy real-world relationships don't spend hundreds or thousands of dollars a month on online parasocial porn addictions. It's like someone selling crack and complaining about how they have to deal with crack addicts.

Except it’s nothing like selling crack and the platform isn’t doing enough to keep performers safe.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by ayngg » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 5:37 AM UTC

throwmeawaydddy wrote: post #33

Fire up the throwaway! Not 100% related to the article, but directly related. I worked as developer for a product in the same niche ("democratizing adult content"). I spent almost 2 years working on the frontend, devops, and building out the analytics engine (all pre-covid). Anyway, on to the comment at hand. We had a small number of users compared to OnlyFans (when I left, there were about 20K active content creator…

I think in general there are some pretty big costs that aren't fully understood to doing sex work, even outside of the social stigma of being found out by your friends and family, there are mental health costs that are often not talked about. A lot of sex workers overtly reinforce social behaviors towards women (sexualization and objectification among other things) in order to appeal to men, which hurts them in the long run.

Social media in all forms grooms young naive women into feeling these types of careers are lucrative (which they can be) and even empowering, but I almost see it as drug dealing, with the drug being intimacy and attention, and by nature it is a transaction where the dealer always uses their own supply.

I feel like these dangerous aspects of sex work are often ignored in the current zeitgeist of de-stigmatizing, or of rebranding sex work in western society. While things like onlyfans have helped with issues of exploitation, it has really changed the game into one that is not well understood yet.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by aniforprez » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 5:38 AM UTC

throwawayboise wrote: post #62

cunthorpe wrote: post #10

I think that people need to understand that once they put themselves out there, especially in sex-fueled environments, they’re adding risk to their lives. They put their sex on full display and think “yeah this is totally fine” while it obviously carries some huge societal weight. I’m not justifying their actions, but also don’t be surprised when they happen. The world isn’t perfect yet. I don’t care much about OF, b…

We used to say, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

Seems a bit harsh to call it "stupid". Sex work is work that will always have demand. It sucks that society looks down on it and the market for it is so skewed towards creeps that people feel unsafe doing it and face so much harassment when found out

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by wegwerfdings » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 5:40 AM UTC

pcbro141 wrote: post #58

throwmeawaydddy wrote: post #33

Fire up the throwaway! Not 100% related to the article, but directly related. I worked as developer for a product in the same niche ("democratizing adult content"). I spent almost 2 years working on the frontend, devops, and building out the analytics engine (all pre-covid). Anyway, on to the comment at hand. We had a small number of users compared to OnlyFans (when I left, there were about 20K active content creator…

Not surprised. I would just assume eventually some sexually frustrated person would try to doxx you at some point. I think there are even organized groups dedicated to doing just that. Sexually frustrated/not getting laid + seeing women making money off their sexuality ('unfair') makes some of these people incredibly angry.

You have no Idea how much time some people have. I'm on a platform where free users also can comment to your pictures and send messages to you. Most man are so primitive. Of course it's about sex, but please.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by ehnto » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 5:40 AM UTC

brundolf wrote: post #52

Mandelmus wrote: post #46

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I don't think I'm merely being a luddite or overly conservative when I say that the exponential rise of parasocial entertainment worries me greatly. There's a rising loneliness epidemic in much of the developed world, and entire industries that profit from selling a virtual simulacrum of the experience of hanging out with friends (Twitch) or intimacy (OnlyFans). Much like Facebook and social media, these products can…

I can testify that I went through a lonely period a few years ago, and stumbled upon Twitch, and was immediately weirded out by how much of an effect it had on my emotions. It felt like I could point and click and immediately have the experience of hanging out with someone, belonging, having something that felt anchoring, without making any of the hard social effort that's always been a challenge for me. I couldn't p…

One issue with streaming/youtubers in particular is that you can get all of that fun-social-fuzzy feeling without actually participating and forming a real connection, it's different to other online communities in that way. Unless you dive deep into their community you don't actually know the streamers and they don't know you. You come out the other-side of a binge with nothing.

If you've got a robust social network then it's not all that harmful, and if you don't then it's at least something, but you can trick yourself into thinking that something is enough when really it can be quite a shallow and ephemeral social experience.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by aniforprez » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 5:40 AM UTC

ipaddr wrote: post #50

onlyafan wrote: post #27

The overlap between small-time OnlyFans creators and people hypervigilant about their privacy feels small. Streamers and idols have faced this problem for some time - with cases of people finding out where a streamer lives based on minutiae like reflections - but add porn and inexperience to the equation and it's not at all surprising that stalking behavior can get dangerously extreme. Storytime - a girl at my uni me…

It's like you see a girl you think is hot and you ask people about her and follow her home. Great you know where she lives. You have seen her naked and paid for her pictures. You are worried someone is going be as smart as you but take it a bit too far and go knock on her door? And what.. Ask her for a date? Kill her? I would think if you go to the same school you could follow home anyone. And you have the opportunit…

Uh stalkers? Sex pests? Rapists? How does being a "low level star" not mean there is still risk? So callous...

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by mkl95 » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 5:41 AM UTC

No piece of software can magically prevent its content from being shared. People were divulging private conversations and other stuff on Twitter years before OnlyFans was a thing.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by somedude895 » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 5:41 AM UTC

throwmeawaydddy wrote: post #33

Fire up the throwaway! Not 100% related to the article, but directly related. I worked as developer for a product in the same niche ("democratizing adult content"). I spent almost 2 years working on the frontend, devops, and building out the analytics engine (all pre-covid). Anyway, on to the comment at hand. We had a small number of users compared to OnlyFans (when I left, there were about 20K active content creator…

> The average monthly payment was $5000 (skewed massively by the top 5%).

I used to work in the direct carrier billing department of a large telco and I'm still amazed by the phenomenon of whales. We'd get 98% of people spending 20 bucks on Spotify and the odd app here and there, and then there were people who would consistently spend 15k+ on Candy Crush (and pay their bills). Not the same level as what you're talking about but I couldn't help but wonder about the millionaire sitting on their couch playing terrible mobile games all day.