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Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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Given that this involves disturbing the bottom of the pond, and that burning methane still produces CO2, this may actually be less environmentally friendly than just using gas.

Methane is estimated to be an order of magnitude or two more powerful than CO2.

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Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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> I cannot cycle 20km fairly leisurely in an hour: I live in a mountainous area Not a good counter argument. In this case, the moped will also use more fuel.

Sure, it isn't the best, but I know lots of other folks cannot either, and reasons vary. The point really is that cycling 20km isn't realistic for a wide swath of population. And sure, it might use more fuel... when you go uphill. Downhill, you might not even need the power.

> Downhill, you might not even need the power.

Same as with a bike.

Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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> Eight hours of hoeing in a ditch supplies him with enough fuel to ride his vehicle for 20 km Hmm, this is an art project but you can cycle 20km fairly leisurely in an hour. 8 hours of toiling in the ditches probably might be better used growing vegetables so your food isn’t being driven in?

I know HN comments have a knack for trying to min/max and optimize something posted, but honestly that's not the point here. He's proving that it's possible to harvest methane from ponds, enough to power a moped.

OF COURSE there's more efficient ways to get around, this isn't an attack on anyone's intellect or common sense and there's no need to react to getting nerdsniped by going "well ackchyually" and reinventing combustion engines and fuel from first principles.

It's fine to just go "that's cool" and move on with your life. The guy that made this knows it's not the most efficient use of his time.

Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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Please note that this is an art project and not a serious invention.

Agreed, the term "inventor" in the headline makes it seem unnecessarily naive. But even if it's art, I suspect that some objective benchmark comparison fits very well: assuming that you had serfs to do the dirty work for you, at eight man-hours for 20 km this would be clearly more efficient than having them carry you around in a sedan. And only slightly less efficient than a rickshaw. Great way to put our fossil ever…

Never is it claimed to be a GOOD invention, :p

Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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Well... if it gets a few people to learn more about this topic then that's serious enough for me. Many have very strong opinions about energy and fossil fuels, but few really understand what they're talking about. For example they don't understand that natural gas is actually a very potent greenhouse gas and he's doing the world a favor by burning it. On a larger scale, we could certainly do more to stop methane from…

Next step, tank it directly from the cow.

I googled quickly and the summary says "A single cow on average produces between 70 and 120 kg of methane per year", so that would actually probably be feasible. Getting it would the challenge though.

That said, if I were to over-engineer this, they could make barns with a closed air system that filters out any methane produced.

Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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What is the yellow liquid: http://move.rupy.se/file/slootmotor3.png

Probably motor oil, these mopeds normally run on a fuel/oil mixture.

True, so he injects the motor oil with the gas so the cylinder doesn't jam?

But has he prooved there is only lubrication oil in there, oil also burns, maybe the methane bubble is just for show and he has actually converted the engine to some sort of diesel/ethanol/any other oil engine! ;D

I want to se the engine stop when the ballon is empty! :\

Also now I watched the video: he spends more energy collecting the gas than it would have taken him to use a regular bike. But fun idea.

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