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The Death of the Festival

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Re: The Death of the Festival

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Post by kipchak »

golergka wrote: post #46
kipchak wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These smaller festivals seem great for those who can attend, but it seems like for those who can't the largest option is commercialized subcultures, something like Star Wars Celebration to pick an example.

> those who can attend Why wouldn't someone be able to attend? Just to clarify, I saw startup founders with net worth of tens of million of dollars and "true hippies" living on $300 a month and I couldn't tell them apart.

Not necessarily financially, but in terms of accessibility. For example I've personally never heard of a festival like this nearby me, outside of music festivals perhaps. Going by the article festivals were once more of a everyone or almost everyone affair.

Re: The Death of the Festival

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Post by golergka »

kipchak wrote: post #71
golergka wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> those who can attend Why wouldn't someone be able to attend? Just to clarify, I saw startup founders with net worth of tens of million of dollars and "true hippies" living on $300 a month and I couldn't tell them apart.

Not necessarily financially, but in terms of accessibility. For example I've personally never heard of a festival like this nearby me, outside of music festivals perhaps. Going by the article festivals were once more of a everyone or almost everyone affair.

But festivals like this are dedicated to music which is definitely is not everyone affair: most people just don't like it. If you want to judge for yourself, the festival in question had artists like Psykovsky and Fungus Funk. Do you think that this is something general public would enjoy listening? (No elitism intended, I don't think that my music taste is better than anyone else's. I just as a matter of fact know that it's a little different).

But if you're one of the people who like and follow this music scene, you'd probably go to some publicly announced psytrance parties, meet people there, and hear about this festival as well.

And finally, there's question of the authorities. Even if we forget about the very strong psychedelic tradition that follows this genre of music (it's literally in the name, and for a very good reason), it's not a good idea to draw attention to any music event in Russia, unless you have very good lawyers and serious money involved that can protect your interest.

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Post by thinkingemote »

mxfh wrote: post #47
thinkingemote wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give me some pointers to find them on twitch in that category? Do they use tags or common words in the titles? "Rave"?

A german article on that phenomenon is here: https://www.dj-lab.de/reportage-die-fabelhafte-welt-der-twit... Yes a bit german heavy, but quite remarkle in contrast with the polished stuff like `cercle`.

Thanks!

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Post by whitexn--g28h »

jkhdigital wrote: post #13

Reads a lot like Jordan Peterson. Essays on psychological symbolism are hard to judge; I’ve read some Jung and Campbell but my comprehension still feels weak.

Other essays by the author are more overtly religious, and conspiratorial, similar to Peterson as well.

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Post by eyelovewe »

Well that certainly added every ingredient in the kitchen. Who can argue with such a sprawling word associative piece of prose? I’m not entirely sure I understood the latent threat, nor do I see any attempt to apply these concepts to seriously “modernly” repressed societies, oh let’s just take North Korea. Are they all just going to socially explode? What are the concrete consequences of removing all dangerous festivals from society?

Re: The Death of the Festival

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Post by Invictus0 »

megameter wrote: post #8

It's a little bit too pat in its conclusions. When watching livestreams of riots, it's really evident that the chaos they produce is rather like little bursts of action, and not so much a sustained pandemonium. These bursts are a thing that can actually take place anytime and don't gain special value because of the riot, they are just more common, more easily prompted. Everyone gets behind on their narrative of event…

> But a riot always expresses some politics.

Counterpoint: The 2018 philly superbowl riot

https://www.syracuse.com/us-news/2018/02/philly_riots_eagles...

Re: The Death of the Festival

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Post by kipchak »

golergka wrote: post #72
kipchak wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily financially, but in terms of accessibility. For example I've personally never heard of a festival like this nearby me, outside of music festivals perhaps. Going by the article festivals were once more of a everyone or almost everyone affair.

But festivals like this are dedicated to music which is definitely is not everyone affair: most people just don't like it. If you want to judge for yourself, the festival in question had artists like Psykovsky and Fungus Funk. Do you think that this is something general public would enjoy listening? (No elitism intended, I don't think that my music taste is better than anyone else's. I just as a matter of fact know t…

I guess it's not so much that I wish those festivals were open to the public, but that there was something that provided a similar experience that was available to everyone, or typically participated in by everyone if that makes sense. The closest example I can think of is Halloween as a kid, outside of the "go around eating candy" part.

Re: The Death of the Festival

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Post by blobbers »

beckman466 wrote: post #64
blobbers wrote: post #63

"None of the problems facing humanity today are technically difficult to solve. Holistic farming methods could heal soil and water, sequester carbon, increase biodiversity, and actually increase yields to swiftly solve various ecological and humanitarian crises. Simply declaring a moratorium on fishing in half the world’s oceans would heal them too" What kind of sanctimonious BS is this. I stopped reading because his…

> sanctimonious BS Ah yes, using big words and no actual critique. Can you please put more effort into this and explain why this post is “sanctimonious BS” to you?

"None of the problems facing humanity today are technically difficult to solve." - yes, if you're trying to solve them the way a toddler would without considering secondary effects of your solutions.

"Simply declaring a moratorium on fishing in half the world’s oceans would heal them too" isn't going to heal the oceans suddenly. Shipping channels, pollution, and all the downstream effects of the missing calories people get from consuming ocean products would have massive secondary effects.

As I said, I didn't read the post, just this blurb that I quoted.

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