I have a Klein Stein and it is excellent, both for beer and coolness. Cliff Stole’s book on tracking a hacker is also a tour de force in tracking things back to the cause. And, like me, he was a stay at home parent for a long time.
A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing
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Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing
#72The trademark the foreign seller used to hijack the listing https://uspto.report/TM/90721592
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I stumbled upon an unusual policy when trying to order from B&H the first time. They are not open for business on Shabbat (NYC local time), and this includes their online checkout! I could fill up my cart, but had to come back later to do my purchase.
I respect people's religions but adherence to constraints like these -- to the extent that the automatons cannot even work -- are silly.
You can't say you respect my religion and then call me silly at the same time. Perhaps you're the one that's silly.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How do people manage to figure out such elaborate ways to manipulate Amazon results without getting banned? Getting banned has minimal cost? Poor detection? Inside information? They don't actually ban the accounts doing this. They only remove the reviews/listings, but don't take any action on the accounts (so they just re-list 24 hours later) Apparently when Amazon acts, they are just removing the fake reviews, som…
> Amazon simply do not care Why though? How does this not hurt Amazon long term? What are they gaining from attracting dodgy sellers in the short term?
Messed up internal incentives, I guess. It happens to every large company.
Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing
#75Given how this is on page-1 of HN, jeff@amazon (the elite US-based seller support team who uses the email, not Bezos) is gonna tear this AMVOOM / TaroRee hijacker a new one. While this is kinda designed-as-intended (Amazon wants you to brand register with them for protection), this is a pretty shitty dark pattern they put up and sadly it happens as an annoying edge case that existing sellers and customers have to dea…
Sure, but there are hundreds of other sellers ready to do the same exploits tomorrow, or worse. The systemic problems are not being addressed. Amazon doesn't have the right incentives to solve these issues.
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#76These days I avoid Amazon where possible since so often it's just cheap Chinese knockoffs or obviously returned products sold as new. B&H has been a godsend for tech, especially since there's no tax with their card. Crutchfield/Headphones.com has been great for speaker and audio gear. West Elm has a consistently premium quality for kitchen, home, and furniture items (though furniture is a story of its own, with even…
I've been doing the same thing for a few years now and for the same reasons. I have accepted the fact in most cases I will pay more, but at least for that extra cost, I can trust the sites and the companies I'm buying from. I also try and find something locally first, before heading to larger chain stores.
Perfect example is how I don't buy anything Apple on Ebay anymore. WAY too many fakes, stolen or misrepresented stuff on there now. Hard to get away from all the Chinese resellers there either. I just buy directly from Apple. Yeap, its going to cost a little extra, but I can take comfort knowing its not going to be a fake or get something that was completely misleading in the listing.
Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing
#77A mathematical side note: I might be woefully ignorant but I thought it's not possible to make a Klein bottle in the real world...? This is not to belittle Stoll's work, it might be a model or approximation... or I'm just missing something.
I might be woefully ignorant but I thought it's not possible to make a Klein bottle in the real world...? I think Cliff Stoll sells 3D models of Klein bottles rather than the impossible 4D version.
The 4D version is not impossible in 4D space.
Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I respect people's religions but adherence to constraints like these -- to the extent that the automatons cannot even work -- are silly.
You can't say you respect my religion and then call me silly at the same time. Perhaps you're the one that's silly.
Silliness and respect are mutually exclusive?
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#79That sucks. Nice write-up of how this scam works, I wasn't aware of the details previously. Also, if anyone is unaware, this is this Clifford Stoll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Stoll - who wrote this brilliant (and true) book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg_(book) - which is a really good read and perfect for HN.
Has anyone read his other book ‘Silicon Snake Oil’ [1] from 1995 lately? Sounds like most of his predictions in it (eg e-commerce will fail, digital books will not be viable, etc) were wildly off the mark - but were any prescient? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Snake_Oil
I read in 1995 when it came out. My take away - searching is not the same as browsing, and something is lost when serendipity is removed from the process.
And the internet works for a certain mindset to the detriment of other points of view
Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing
#80These days I avoid Amazon where possible since so often it's just cheap Chinese knockoffs or obviously returned products sold as new. B&H has been a godsend for tech, especially since there's no tax with their card. Crutchfield/Headphones.com has been great for speaker and audio gear. West Elm has a consistently premium quality for kitchen, home, and furniture items (though furniture is a story of its own, with even…
I stumbled upon an unusual policy when trying to order from B&H the first time. They are not open for business on Shabbat (NYC local time), and this includes their online checkout! I could fill up my cart, but had to come back later to do my purchase.
It's a bit strange because if you go to actual Israel, there are ways around Shabbat rules that align with the Torah/Talmud. For example, on Shabbat, there is an elevator that stops at every floor (so no one has to push the button).
It's also my understanding that it's kosher for gentiles to perform actions outside of the constraints of the rules of Judaism, like turning on/off fans on behalf of those respecting the rules of the sabbath.