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Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by reducesuffering »

xadhominemx wrote: post #46
crazygringo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good antibody tests are extremely (99%) accurate in verifying previous infection, not sure why you're claiming the opposite...? And while vaccination is safe and easy to get , both me and a lot of my friends were basically as sick as a regular flu for a day or two from it. Some people have no reaction, which is wonderful, but a lot of people need to take a sick day or two, or intentionally get the vaccine on a Friday…

What is the population of people who are willing to get a blood draw for an accurate antibody test but haven’t been vaccinated already and can’t afford moderate flu-like symptoms for a day? I’m sure a small number of people like that exist but it’s not really worth carving out complex exceptions to vaccination rules (specifying which kind of antibody tests administered by who and when, etc.) to accommodate their pref…

Because minority rights.

>I’m sure a small number of people like that exist but it’s not really worth carving out complex exceptions to vaccination rules (specifying which kind of antibody tests administered by who and when, etc.) to accommodate their preferences.

You might as well be saying this about accessibility rules for disabled people.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by celdon25 »

xadhominemx wrote: post #35
endisneigh wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not understanding your point - wouldn’t an antibody test or a positive Covid test be easy enough to show? Not sure how that’s any different than showing proof of a Covid vaccine

Studies have shown the common (LFIA) antibody tests administered to most people have specificity <50%

Which ones? I'm looking at this page and am seeing numbers in the high 90's https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-disease-2019...

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Post by tunesmith »

jaywalk wrote: post #8
hammock wrote: post #4

This is great news, adding to a report in Nature that the natural immunity produced in people who have already had covid may last a lifetime.[1] In case you hadn't heard, the Cleveland Clinic--consistently regarded as one of the top hospital systems in the United States and in the world--recently shared a study of 52,238 patients showing zero incremental benefit from the jab to the previously infected, recommending t…

It's time for the naturally immune to be treated the same as those who've been vaccinated. There is absolutely zero scientific evidence to the contrary, and plenty of evidence to support it.

Just saw a quote from Gottlieb the other day saying that they think the vaccine is more protective against COVID generally than natural immunity... the variants also seem more likely to pierce prior immunity... and that what's really protective is if you get vaccinated after natural infection. (paraphrased, but pretty close.)

Also, generally speaking, people who caught COVID were contagious for a while, while vaccinated people aren't. So there's the social responsibility factor - if you have a lifestyle where you at all likely to be among people while contagious, getting vaccinated reduces risk for others.

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Post by reedjosh »

NorthTheRock wrote: post #30
wait_a_minute wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not your business to verify anything. It’s up to the individual to do what is best for their own situation. Focus on decisions for your own self and family.

Isn't the entire point of a public health crisis like this that you can't just focus on yourself and your family, because doing so still has the potential to seriously impact or kill other people?

> Isn't the entire point of a public health crisis

Ha, I like the wording. As if there's a point to a public health crisis. I mean, yeah this is _the_ point if the powers that be are orchestrating this.

I just find the phrasing funny.

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Post by loceng »

gameswithgo wrote: post #13
aantix wrote: post #11

What about the new Delta variant?

vaccines have been effective against it as well

Quite a bit less effective and why the WHO is saying fully vaccinated should still mask up inside.

Edit to add: 70% effective vs. 95%+ is a significant reduction.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by fy20 »

pkulak wrote: post #59
r00fus wrote: post #52

Can someone tell me why we (US) don't have a vaccine passport yet?

30% of the population is violently (not a hyperbole) opposed to it.

Europe isn't doing much better. It has a lower % fully vaccinated (around 30% in each country, I can't find exact numbers for the whole EU). In a lot of countries the vaccines are now available to everyone over 18, and you can book appointments within a few days or just turn up. In Poland they are running a financial lottery to encourage people to be vaccinated.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by asdff »

pkulak wrote: post #59
r00fus wrote: post #52

Can someone tell me why we (US) don't have a vaccine passport yet?

30% of the population is violently (not a hyperbole) opposed to it.

Yet we still require vaccinations to enroll in public schools and fly to certain countries, so none of this would be unprecedented at all.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by sjwalter »

munk-a wrote: post #69
YawningAngel wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite irresponsible to try and coerce people who don't need treatment to accept it as well

No it isn't - it's providing unified and clear guidance on vaccination. I'm up in Canada where vaccine hesitancy has been almost unheard of[1] and those who refuse to get vaccinated, excepting those that can't for medical reasons, are ostracized for their overtly selfish actions. The US, though, has a real problem with disinformation being accepted more readily than fact. I am fine with the theory of having a nuanced…

As a Canadian who emigrated to the US, the attitude you so proudly display--ostracizing people who aren't convinced of a novel vaccine with zero long-term safety information--makes me so happy I live here.

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Post by reducesuffering »

pkulak wrote: post #59
r00fus wrote: post #52

Can someone tell me why we (US) don't have a vaccine passport yet?

30% of the population is violently (not a hyperbole) opposed to it.

I wonder why, when many people on this thread aren't even capable of understanding the science pointing out the difference between vaccinated, previous covid infection antibodies, and no protection. There's repeated boxing into vaccinated and unvaccinated like natural antibodies mean nothing, contrary to the available science.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by xadhominemx »

reducesuffering wrote: post #71
xadhominemx wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the population of people who are willing to get a blood draw for an accurate antibody test but haven’t been vaccinated already and can’t afford moderate flu-like symptoms for a day? I’m sure a small number of people like that exist but it’s not really worth carving out complex exceptions to vaccination rules (specifying which kind of antibody tests administered by who and when, etc.) to accommodate their pref…

Because minority rights. >I’m sure a small number of people like that exist but it’s not really worth carving out complex exceptions to vaccination rules (specifying which kind of antibody tests administered by who and when, etc.) to accommodate their preferences. You might as well be saying this about accessibility rules for disabled people.

I honestly cannot tell if this is a parody comment. It is just too on the nose.
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