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Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by winrid »

phwak wrote: post #63
qwertox wrote: post #34

To me Telegram feels like the red corner district of a city. I simply don't feel like I can trust it, there's something very shady about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Telegram reads those exclusive Bitcoin whale groups and uses that insider info. Group chats are not end to end encrypted. That being said, WhatsApp is like the authorized garage where you know that you'll get the service which is officially recognized…

> Group chats are not end to end encrypted. End-to-end encrypted group chats are currently in the works. Source - https://t.me/durovschat/518625

This doesn't say anything about encryption.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by Uupis »

dheera wrote: post #70
rvz wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. It recently got a feature that totally obliterates Clubhouse out of the Pacific ocean. At this point Telegram is unrivalled and already has almost everything that WhatApp has, except for E2EE turned on by default.

I feel like Clubhouse looks a lot more polished as an app though. Telegram feels like a CS 101 "hello world" messenger app demo. Yeah I know it has more features than that, but it looks like it has no features. When you go into Clubhouse you know you're in Clubhouse. They don't need to write "Clubhouse" at the top of the app. There are no generic buttons such as hamburger buttons. It's obvious which account you're lo…

I've never used Clubhouse, but on iOS and macOS Telegram looks and feels very native.. but better. Snappier, faster, more responsive, yet still looks correct, and works as I expect native apps to work.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by dheera »

Uupis wrote: post #72
dheera wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like Clubhouse looks a lot more polished as an app though. Telegram feels like a CS 101 "hello world" messenger app demo. Yeah I know it has more features than that, but it looks like it has no features. When you go into Clubhouse you know you're in Clubhouse. They don't need to write "Clubhouse" at the top of the app. There are no generic buttons such as hamburger buttons. It's obvious which account you're lo…

I've never used Clubhouse, but on iOS and macOS Telegram looks and feels very native.. but better . Snappier, faster, more responsive, yet still looks correct , and works as I expect native apps to work.

The thing is though, apps that look native often look like they were made by beginners. The native look on both iOS and Android is also starting to look dated in terms of graphic design.

Most popular apps don't use native design but rather artistically always a step ahead of native. Think of e.g. the Airbnb, Uber, Slack, Discord, Instagram apps.

If Instagram or Airbnb used native iOS/Android design they'd lose users pretty quickly IMO.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by xvilka »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #52
excalibur wrote: post #42

Am I missing something here? This just looks like Zoom or Teams or any of the other video calling apps that have been running the world for the past year. What's so special about it?

Telegram desktop client is written in C, takes 20MB or ram and can download 1,000 messages in 3 seconds. Teams takes 500MB of ram and pegs a quad-core cpu to 70% to updates some smileys

Even mobile Telegram is so small and efficient despite being feature-packed. Just compare 67Mb of the Telegram installed Android app with 156Mb of Discord, 623Mb of WeChat, etc.

Re: Group Video Calls

#75

Post by darkteflon »

rvz wrote: post #48
jhabdas wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be nice if Americans could make something this good again. Have you seen WhatsApp lately? It's a pure travesty.

They already have and it is called Quill. [0] Works on web, macOS, Windows, Linux, iOS, and Android and already looks promising to be the diamond standard of chat software and compete against the alternatives. Impressive piece of extremely high quality software so rare in this software industry. [0] https://quill.chat

Holy s*t this looks amazing. Our (multi-disciplinary) team has been struggling with Zulip, which adopts the threaded messaging paradigm we need, but has a face only an engineer could love. This looks like it could be a drop-in replacement without the UX quirks.

Thanks for the rec.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by Uupis »

dheera wrote: post #73
Uupis wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never used Clubhouse, but on iOS and macOS Telegram looks and feels very native.. but better . Snappier, faster, more responsive, yet still looks correct , and works as I expect native apps to work.

The thing is though, apps that look native often look like they were made by beginners. The native look on both iOS and Android is also starting to look dated in terms of graphic design. Most popular apps don't use native design but rather artistically always a step ahead of native. Think of e.g. the Airbnb, Uber, Slack, Discord, Instagram apps. If Instagram or Airbnb used native iOS/Android design they'd lose users…

Of all those, I have tried Discord and Slack, and I had a really, really horrible time. Neither are things I intend to use of my own volition, and am inclined to argue against using if I have a say.

Drag and drop, text inputs, selections, UI elements, keyboard shortcuts, state preservation – none of those worked as they should. I would accept a divergence for a legitimate improvement, but it's just system-wide basic functionality missing.

All of that works correctly in Telegram. There is great value in adhering to the system conventions, design, and using native elements – it's fairly clear what is supposed to be what, a good chunk of the time, and there is minimal context switching as I use other native apps.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by phwak »

winrid wrote: post #71
phwak wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Group chats are not end to end encrypted. End-to-end encrypted group chats are currently in the works. Source - https://t.me/durovschat/518625

This doesn't say anything about encryption.

Read again, it does.

Durov mentioned they've been working on group "secret" chats. Secret is just another term for end-to-end encryption in telegram.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by tpoacher »

dheera wrote: post #68
Saris wrote: post #66

Telegram has absolutely amazing UX on all platforms I've used it on, I hope they can roll out encryption for group chats soon and show somehow that we can trust that encryption.

Really? Every Telegram group I tried to chat started spamming me with notifications every few seconds and I uninstalled the damn thing. The UI also looks like it was made by a intern who just learned how to use Android Studio, not like something new and cool. The actual text "Telegram" and a magnifying glass button instead of a search bar, hamburger menu instead of your own profile pic, no big fat QR scan icon, ...

1) it's incredibly trivial and intuitive to mute a channel. i see no issue with receiving notifications by default to a channel you just subscribed to

2) hamburger menu is right here. the avatar-as-menu implies account details. the menu presented instead makes sense and has the stuff you'd expect.

3) magnifying bar makes sense since the real estate saved is used for useful information

4) there is a big fat qr scan icon. it's just not "first page material", which is the correct decision here. if abd when you need it, telegram tells you where to find it.

In any case, you are entitled to your assessment. I just completely disagree with it.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by andrepd »

qwertox wrote: post #34

To me Telegram feels like the red corner district of a city. I simply don't feel like I can trust it, there's something very shady about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Telegram reads those exclusive Bitcoin whale groups and uses that insider info. Group chats are not end to end encrypted. That being said, WhatsApp is like the authorized garage where you know that you'll get the service which is officially recognized…

Well I don't think secure and high-quality applications like Signal fit in that spectrum :p
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